Die Veiligheidsraad van die Verenigde Nasies het ‘n beroep op die Egiptiese regering en die Moslembroederskap gedoen om hulle van geweld te weerhou en versoening na te streef.
Die Raad het na ‘n noodsitting Donderdagnag egter nie ‘n konsensus-verklaring kon uitreik oor die hernieude geweld in Egipte wat reeds meer as 600 lewens geëis het nie.
Lede van die raad is vir ‘n noodsitting ontbied nadat die Verenigde Koninkryk, Frankryk en Australië die Veiligheidsraad gevra het om die saak dringend te bespreek.
Die Argentynse president van die raad, Marcia Perceval het gevra dat geweld en die onderdrukking van vreedsame optogte onmiddellik beëindig moet word.
Die VN-sekretariaat, Amerika en die Europese Unie wou nie standpunt wou inneem oor die omverwerping van die Egiptiese regering nie.
Suid-Afrika het Egipte dringend versoek om demokrasie in die land te eerbiedig. Die minister van internasionale betrekkinge – Maite Nkoana-Mashabane – het die Egiptiese situasie by die SAOG-beraad in Malawi geopper.
Dit volg nadat die Egiptiese weermag twee kampe in Kaïro met ondersteuners van die afgesette president Morsi bestorm het, en regeringsgeboue in die hoofstad aan die brand gesteek is deur Morsi-ondersteuners.
Die Amerikaanse president, Barack Obama het ook die geweld veroordeel en ‘n gemeenskaplike militêre oefening met Egipte, wat aanstaande maand sou plaasvind, gekanselleer.
Obama het homself egter nie uitgespreek oor die wetlikheid van die nuwe oorgangsregering in Egipte nie.
Die Egiptiese regering het ondersteuners van die afgesette president Morsi intussen gewaarsku dat die polisie toestemming het om volle mag te gebruik teen terreuroptrede of sabotasie.
Die dodetal in die jongste geweld in Egipte het tot meer as 600 gestyg. Die bevestigde dodetal staan op minstens 638, terwyl bykans 4 000 mense gewond is.
Die geweld wat die week uitgebreek het is die ergste sedert die begin van die “Arabiese lente”. Die militêre regering in Egipte slaan toe op ondersteuners van die afgesette president Mohammed Morsi en sy hoofsaaklik Moslem-ondersteuners, terwyl teenaanvalle ook plaasvind.
Die geweld het Donderdag verder uitgebrei toe regeringsgeboue naby die piramides aan die brand gesteek, polisiebeamptes geskiet en Christen-kerke aangeval is.
Die Moslembroederskap probeer hergroepeer na aanvalle op hul vestings en die in hegtenisneming van talle leiers.
Die Broederskap het gevra dat massa-optogte Vrydag gehou word om teenstand te bied teen die noodtoestand wat regering afgekondig het.
Die NWO het hulle gaie pragtig gesien in Egipte. Hulle resep sal nie daar werk nie.
En ook nie in China nie. Daardie nasies het regeringsvorms wat oor duisende jare gevorm is, en geen liberale of moslem oorheersing sal geduld word nie.
Die Veiligheidsraad van die Verenigde Nasies het ‘n beroep op die Egiptiese regering en die Moslembroederskap gedoen om hulle van geweld te weerhou en versoening na te streef skryf jy. Retoriek. Hierdie keer sal miljoene Egiptenare hulle land skoon maak van die MB en hulle gat lakeie. In hierdie suiwering sal die Weermag max geweld gebruik. Die oorgrote meerderheid Egiptenare is bankvas agter hulle gedugte Weermag wat nog altyd Egipte se sowereineteit met geweld verseker het.
MB is about a distorted theology that is based mainly on blaspheming and delegitimizing the other and the other, is simply everybody who is not MB”
BY DR. ASHRAF EZZAT
As expected, and as the mainstream media was raving about the horrifyingly bloody crackdown on the peaceful Muslim Brotherhood ‘sit-ins in Cairo on Wednesday morning August 14, most Egyptians (the decent patriots with a functioning and sane mind still) were heaving a sigh of relief.
The two sit-ins, or to be honest, the terrorist bases in Rabaa and Nahda squares, were not peaceful at all; unless you believe Moltov cocktails, automatic guns, grenades, and RPJs are legitimate tools in protests and occupy movements with a good cause. (Watch video of the confiscated firearms after raiding the sit-ins)
Unlike the second mass uprising on June 30, the clearing of the two sit-ins that have been occupied by brain washed Islamists, thugs and potential terrorists was a thing, or better yet a popular demand, that everybody has been asking for over a month now.
The decision to bust up those intimidating sit-ins has been taken for quite some time, only respecting the holy month of Ramadan and the concern about the possible high number of casualties and dead made the interim government leave space for diplomacy. And moreover, the police took all precautions not to turn this evacuation operation into a battle field.
Some might cynically and instantly respond by saying “Well, it turned out to be a battle field after all, didn’t it” … and my answer is absolutely not, if you want to see a real confrontation turning into a battle field, contact your travel agent for a week’s vacation in Sinai, you will not only enjoy the sights, the sun and the blue sea, but you will also get to witness a 3D live thriller of al Qaeda warfare in a very rare and unforgettable close encounter.
Al Qaeda-style children suiciders
And as a matter of fact, the Egyptian police has carried out this operation with the highest degree of professionalism and self-restraint. And while a death toll of a few hundreds out of around 20 000 protesters is absolutely regrettable, but on the ground I’m afraid this was inevitable. On the other hand 54 police officers and soldiers have been shot dead while on this national duty. (Watch video of sit in aftermath- MB blasting a police station with RPJs- Extremely graphic footage)
Hired orphans herded in a MB sit-in carrying their coffin wrappings as potential suiciders
And even if the death toll was a little higher, the police forces were still to be commended, for the sit-ins crowd harbored considerable numbers of suiciders, including children who were molested into accepting the sick notion of alleged martyrdom. Those brain-washed suiciders were willing to die not under the flag of Egypt, but the black one of Al Qaeda.
And that is the core of the problem; those sit-ins are carried out not by patriots and political activists but by sick-minded militants and potential terrorists. And I somehow, find it hard to believe that anyone could cry over terrorists.
Now, and before getting further into this, and to put the reader into perspective, we need to clarify few things.
This crowd is different
MB rally, with fundamentlists holding the Koran
The protesters you used to watch, on TV news bulletins, occupying the Rabaa and Nahdaa squares are not politically motivated, as a matter of fact most of them are illiterate, politically and literally speaking. Those protesters were shepherded into this sit in, because they were made to believe that, believe it or not, Islam was in danger. I know, it’s funny … and it’s sad … but this is the name of the game, the MB game, in Egypt.
Most viewers tend to sympathize with the scene of thousands of protesters in the street opposing any regime and somehow, and maybe unconsciously, feel related to the angry crowd. But hold your horses, Ladies and Gents, for this crowd is different.
This whole thing is not some political dispute, though carried out under political banners. As a matter of fact, the MB is one of the most politically incompetent organizations all over the world, the rise and fall of that terrorist group has taken less than two years. The political stupidity of the MB Morsi & gang ought to be studied and analyzed by scholars of politics and psychology.
But to spare you the time, I can tell you the decline of the Muslim Brothers was so swift because the ideology of MB ran counter to the true nature of the Egyptian culture and traditions, namely and mainly moderation
The current conflict in Egypt, is not between political rivals, oh no, and unfortunately this is exactly where most of the followers of the Egyptian status quo have gone wrong.
The conflict is between Egyptians and a terrorist group that peddles religion and manipulates the piety of the uneducated, the poor and the gullible.
Terrorist group
Sayed Qutb
MB is the big umbrella that ideologically nurtured all of the current Islamist terrorist groups. All of the militant groups, like Islamic Jihad and al Qaeda have been feeding on the ideology and theories of the notorious Sayed Kotb, one of the leading theorists in the bloody history of MB during the 1950-1960s.
Kotb, for those who are not familiar with the name or his books, is the mentor of Ayman el Zawahri, the current al-Qaeda leader and he is also the spiritual guru for most of the Islamist militants from Afghanistan all the way to Morroco.
Once again, MB is not a political party, as mistakenly defined, it is an international underground group, based in Egypt, with militant theology that endorses resorting to violence and assassination, aka armed Jihad, to overturn governments and replace it with a caliphate-era model.
And it’s not so hard to tell you what a caliphate system looks like, one look at Taliban in Afghanistan or the Shabaab in Soamlia or even Boko Haram in Nigeria will spare me the unnecessary elaboration.
And if you were into history, consider looking up the Ottoman era, may be that will explain why this Erdogan, Turkey’s PM, is so pissed off by what happened in Egypt.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Everybody and mainly politicians know for a fact that whatever happens in Egypt doesn’t eventually stay in Egypt, and considering the bad history with the Turkish military, no wonder Erdogan is having sleepless nights, bed room problems and looking always over his shoulders, not to mention that his party is affiliated with the international MB network.
MB is about a distorted theology that is based mainly on blaspheming and delegitimizing the other and the other, is simply everybody who is not MB.
Now, the imperative question is how could you play a fair game of politics with that kind of extremism and theological perversion?
MB: the enemy from within
Ruling by the alleged holy sword and exploiting the name of god in eliminating any opposition or thought diversity, where could we go from there?
We could do a lot, we could revolt, we could say it out loud and shout “down with the rule of the MB” … Well, even if that sounded like a coup or a bit undemocratic in the eyes of the white House, Washington post and of course Al Jazeera.
The hazy stand of the White House is quite understood, after all, the Egyptian second wave of the revolution that ousted their puppet Morsi, did away with the American plan of signing up yet another proxy government in the new Middle East under the convenient Islamist cloak of MB.
And this proxy government is so valuable to lose that soon, for it is the government that will sell out Sinai to Hamas and Israel and thus relieve Israel and Uncle Sam of the chronic Palestinian headache.
Time was running out, the Brotherhoodization was well underway, Egypt was so close to a longtime national hijack. It happened before; Egypt had been hijacked before, by the Romans, the Turks and the British. But that was beyond control, for that was a foreign invasion. But this time it is more dangerous, and more ominous, because the invasion and the danger is from within.
What is currently taking place in Egypt is politically quite new, it is something that history will forever mark as a model of confronting a malignant tumor in the body of a nation.
Egyptians are not, divided over a deposed president, for god sake that pathetic Morsi hardly had any popularity, not even amongst the Islamists, or even the cats. Everybody knew he was a pale shadow of a marionette on the wall, and the strings were being pulled from the White House and Tel Aviv.
So who are those thousands that have been defiant in over-a-month sit in and who are rallying all over Egypt, if they are not Morsi- supporters? Well, they are the MB loyalists, foreign intelligence agents, Hamas militias, and members of the Salafist groups and yes, the brain washed and the gullible – every nation has its share of those. (watch video of the unreported story of clearing the violent MB sit-ins, showing that the sit-in was militarized, the potesters were forewarned and that the clearance was attended by the press and NGOs)
The new Middle East & MB plans
Egyptians are trying to evade the horrible Syrian scenario and If we want to comprehend the Egyptian case, one has to zoom out and take a look at the broader scene from the Algerian and Malian borders in the west all the way across North Africa to the Iraqi and Syrian borders in the east.
You’ll soon discover that Egypt is the only nation, with a strong and unified military, that is still struggling to escape the sweeping power of the so called creative chaos and new Middle East.
The so called Arab spring, a designation currently loathed by many Middle Easterns, has allowed one of the scariest and dormant threats to surface on the region’s political arena, namely political Islam.
And for the sake of accuracy, the so called political Islam has absolutely nothing to do with Islam nor the science and norms of politics, for it’s all about the dominance of their dogma and by the name of their twisted interpretation of the scripture.
And to achieve their goal, MB had a plan of demolishing the main pillars of the Egyptian state, namely the Judiciary, the free media and press, the army and of course the police.
On June 28, 2011, and during the first days of the revolution, all of the police stations were attacked, ransacked and torched down … and as the days went by, new clues and growing suspicions of the involvement of the MB in those attacks and many similar jail breaks began to arouse.
Only after the clearance of the ugly sit-ins did the Egyptians know for certain that the MB were behind those terrorist attacks on Jan 28, for the stupid leaders of the MB gave the orders to their loyalists to attack police stations and also the churches around the country, especially in upper Egypt, copycatting the horrifying Jan 28th’ scenario.
25 churches have been attacked, 21 police stations and 10 major ministerial and municipal buildings all over the country and the chaos is still going on.(Watch video of MB attacking ancient churches in upper Egypt)
And after failing to succeed in plan A and B, I think the MB will resort to one of their old game of violent terrorism and organized assassination. And bearing in mind the obscene petro-dollars finance MB are getting from some of the Gulf Arab countries, it seems that Egypt is in for a long series of terrorist operations and assassinations. All doors are wide open for the creepy wind of orchestrated civil war.
And speaking of terrorism, Sinai that is still fraught with Jihadists cells armed with heavy weaponry and infiltrated by foreign intelligence, seems like a time bomb ready to explode any time. The jihadists’ tactic right now seems to try and involve the Egyptian military in a dreadful confrontation with the Israelis over the rockets they launch towards the other side every now and then. But those Morons don’t understand that Israel is not interested in an all-out war with Egypt, while Egypt could be taken down, like Iraq, by other proxy organizations, e.g., MB & militias
The next president of Egypt
Mohamed El-Baradei
There is a growing belief amongst the wider sector of Egyptians, and amidst the ongoing turmoil, that the next president should be a military man who can pull the country together, restore order and peace and wipe out the terrorist threats of the MB.
What has lately added to these pro-military sentiments is the shock caused by the sudden resignation of Mohamed El Baradei, one of the icons of the Egyptian revolution. El Baradei, by his most foolish timing in submitting the resignation, which was totally unjustified, has deliberately not only embarrassed the interim government but also dealt a painful blow to the secular political front which used to consider him the guru of their movement.
If Baradei was a military, he would have been ordered shot over the crime of desertion; for he abandoned his fellow fighters and left his post and weapon during a fierce battle.
Egypt is facing tough days, and even tougher days loom ahead, but the good thing is that, with each passing day more masks are falling off, and the real ugly face of political Islam is revealed.
As for the US and the European Union, they could carry on their make-believe and keep condemning the use of excess violence and cry over the violation of human rights, but Egypt will never allow their proxy regime to take hold of this great nation once again.
I don’t believe these writings make it clear that I hate the Jews. We’ve got to stop censoring ideas by calling the people who express them racists or bigots. Otherwise, we are headed for a gigantic war on this planet. Today, while watching CNN, I heard of someone who is trying to pass a law against criticizing Islam. We already have a sort of invisible law against criticizing Judaism. If your beliefs cannot hold up to criticism, they are too pathetic to claim believers. I find much to criticize about Islam, Judaism and Christianity: among them, those three religions have caused more hatred and bloodshed than any other source of power on Earth, and all in the name of Peace and Love and the creator of the universe.
1. The reason Christians will not accept their gospel (good news) is in crisis
is because they will have to admit publicly that it is all a fantasy based on
faith, emotion and feelings. In fact the most illiterate (uneducated)
continents in the world are the most religious. Africa and Latin America head
the list as they have the least atheists and nonreligious in the world. In
other words most Christians are illiterate and therefore unable to logically
analyse things. The rest are totally brain washed as a result of the propaganda and indoctrination they have had to endure since childhood when they were illiterate. Most are told if you trust the good news gospel you need blind faith like a child as Jesus told us.
2.
It’s always the same story. Most people come across Christianity as children growing up (we are all born atheists) and understandably they are easily indoctrinated but when they become adults at twenty one years old they do not discard what they were told but allow themselves to remain brainwashed, because they can’t deal with the fact that life is indeed ultimately meaningless, so they need the illusion of a purpose driven life, where one is held by the loving hands of a caring personal God who takes you with him to spend eternal life in heaven when you die. They are still like little children in need of close family ties. That’s why they call God “Abba” Father, each other, brother and sister, and themselves “sons of God” and Jesus is called a friend who sticks closer than a brother. Others come to Jesus when
experiencing “hard times”. These would be sickness, substance abuse/addiction, bereavement, tragedy, poverty, divorce, war, instability, unemployment, orphaned, loss, accident, theft, etc.
3. Preachers
use the message of life’s situations and circumstances that corral you into a
corner whereby “you feel a lack of control” and thereby you turn willingly,
thankfully and robotically like being hypnotized to a Christ who: heals the
broken hearted, sets the captive free and makes the lame to walk and the blind
to see. People don’t need to be born again; they need to grow up, think for
themselves by being educated and start to take
responsibility for their own lives and rather strive to constantly
improve as human beings unfettered by chains of superstitious thinking, where
blaming the devil, sin nature etc is a convenient cop-out. Christianity is in
crisis because we are living in the twenty first century. We have the science
and technology. We are in the information revolution age, where being dumb on
purpose is not a virtue and ignorance is not bliss. We have the internet and
Google. The internet is doing to evangelical ideas and the Bible what the
printing press did to medieval Catholicism.
4. Over
the last 150 years evolution has been established as a scientific Theory just
like the Theory of gravity. The Big Bang theory has now been proved by the
discovery of the Higgs boson as the only explanation of how our universe is how
it is. The out of Africa theory proved by genetics blows the Adam and Eve creation
mythologized myth out of the water. There was no talking snake, no Adam and Eve
and no original sin, therefore there is no need for a savior. We are not born
in original sin and totally depraved. We originate from Africa. You can believe
that evolution, the big bang and out of Africa Theories are flawed and full of
holes because you do not want to understand them, but that does not mean that
they are flawed. Serious scientists have proved that they are truth, who am I
to argue? Do you argue with your Doctor or your IT Technician or the brain
Surgeon; of course not. You would have to be insane to do that. That is why atheists regard evangelical
Christians as mentally ill, deluded, gullible, naïve, superstitious, childish
thinkers and as a result they have no credibility.
5. Many
contributors tell us that they have a relationship with Jesus, and their life’s
have changed and that is why they believe. They will explain that Jesus, the
resurrected Son of God, is in their heart and that they respond and are guided
by an inner witness of the Holy Ghost; therefore scientific facts, proofs,
evidence, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration and any
knowledge opposing the Bible have never been stop signs or speed bumps on their
“spiritual” path. The ultimate defense of their faith is their testimony. After
all avenues of reason are exhausted (or more usually, at an impasse), many will
proclaim that although they cannot always explain their beliefs, they always
know why they believe and it’s because of what happened to them.
6. The
problem with using testimonies to validate beliefs is that it puts you in an
untenable position. In order for your testimony to have any weight, it must be
true to others as well. Yet what do you do about competing testimonies? If you
acknowledge them, then for those people at least, your testimony holds no
water. And this is especially damaging, since testimonies are often used to try
to convince others that Christian ways are God’s ways, and that they really
work. It does not help your cause if you reject competing testimonies as being
of the devil, for then you cannot expect anyone to believe in yours. This,
however, is the position that Christians must take, for otherwise their
testimonies become meaningless. That is why Christians proclaim that the only
way to the Father, joy and heaven is by Jesus “the door”, “the window”, “the
gate”, “the way”, “the truth” and “the life.” There is no other way. Only “born
again” Christians will make it to heaven as they have become new creatures in
Christ and are accepted by God as children of God.
7. Yet
in reality the only evidence for the indwelling of the Spirit comes from a few
contested Bible verses, some contested philosophical arguments, and a
subjective feeling (imagine) that one knows God personally. This is easily
countered by the subjective experiences of other believers in other religions
around the globe. So there is a problem with testimonies: yours is not the only
one; for every testimony about how God helped you kick a drug habit, turned you
around, or healed you, etc there are others, for how he did nothing or the bad
habits came back again or the healing was lost. So the question arises, whose
testimony are you going to believe? Testimonies are just people testifying
about their experiences. And no one can say whose are valid, and whose are not.
8. Would
you become a Scientologist just because a celebrity like Tom Cruise says it
works for him? Or convert to Islam like Cat Stevens, a famous singer from the
sixties, who converted to Islam changed his name to Yusuf Islam and probably
had an experience just like yours. Many famous film stars have found that
Buddha has changed their lives. Cognitive behavioral therapy used by
Psychotherapy counselors also helps in producing positive results in changing
unwanted behavior patterns. Faults, flaws and weaknesses in our character are
natural to all humans. In Church these flaws are called sin, which makes you
feel condemned and in an emotional hypnotic state you give your life to Jesus
who loves you despite your flaws and can deliver you from your perceived sins.
9. You
might be changed and healed mentally by your experience but it happens in your
imagination. That is why it is real to you. It does not mean Jesus is really
the son of God. At most he was a philosopher and prophet. Biblical scholars
themselves admit that the God of the Bible is a warlike tribal God whose throne
was in the heavens (sky), and does not exist outside the holy Bible text or the
imaginations of believers. Therefore Jesus cannot be the Son of God. To you, he
might be, but in reality he is not. Just an imaginary friend for adults like
you had when you were a child.
When you generalize an entire group of people with phrases like “The Boere like to think they are intelligent but they are complete materialists” and “very neurotic people” that is complete and unfounded hatred and nothing more. Are you saying that every Boer in the world is stupid, materialistic and without compassion? I don’t see where children are being taught that they are hated. I have seen children being taught to hate others, though, from all cultures.You might actually want to ask a Boer what they mean by saying that they are the “chosen” people. Every Boer I have asked about that has told me that it is not an honor or anything so egocentric. To Boere being “chosen” to them means having a responsibility to abide by the laws of their covenant Not that they are better, but that they are required to live by certain laws. No different than what our modern day societies have required of us via legal systems void of spirituality.
Why? Why have the Boere always stolen the culture of others? They do it now, pretending that the food of the new ‘Improved’ SA is theirs when it certainly is not! They now pretend that our country and such things are theirs! So Strange. More importantly, obviously they have no idea what spiritual ides or rather, feelings, cannot be stolen. If you steal such things obviously you do not understand what they mean. If you did understand what they mean you could not possibly steal them. If you knew what they meant you would pay homage. You would naturally feel grateful for such profound and serious knowledge. Poor Boere; they just don’t get it! They never did and still don’t and never will – or they would not be Boere! It is a pathetic and miserable state they are in. They do not understand what it means to be humble. grateful, compassionate. LW: Ek is ‘n blou bloed Boer en die Boere is my mense!
There is a worldwide consensus that the now-notorious video clips of the anti-Islam film “innocence of Muslims” are extremely offensive, provocative and clumsily amateurish but at the same time there is almost a similar consensus that doesn’t consider the violent and demagogic Muslim reaction any less offensive and provocative. And putting in mind that the writer and director of the film is an Egyptian Copt at least that’s what we have been told so far, still this 14- minute trailer poses some serious questions.
Let’s assume that this Copt has nothing to do with any secret lobbies or agencies and that he and some of the fanatic Copts in the US are behind this so called film. Let’s overlook the weird timing, September 11, of posting the Arabic-dubbed version of the trailer on YouTube and let’s ignore the strange involvement of the infamous Jones in the issue. Let’s pass over the deliberate mocking and degradation and try to bring out the core ideas the script of this film was based upon. In other words, let’s see what kind of ideology/belief, if any, this film is grounded in.
Dis verbasend dat mens niks van Afrika-Unie verneem nie of reageer hulle slegs, soos in Libië, wanneer die Weste betrokke raak. Of kan die Egiptenare mekaar maar uitwis – dit speel nie ‘n rol by die Afrika-Unie nie – of hoe ?
Voorskou om van kennis te neem!
The United States and Israel have always wanted Egypt to look inward in a pathetic state of paralysis. Washington has always tried to keep Egypt as a dependent state that would fall apart politically and economy without US assistance. It has allowed the situation in Egypt to degenerate as a means of neutralizing the Egyptians by keeping them divided and exhausted. The US, however, will be haunted by the coup against Morsi. Washington will dearly feel the repercussions of what has happened in Egypt. Morsi’s fall sends a negative message to all of America’s allies. Everyone in the Arab World, corrupt and just alike, is more aware than ever that an alliance with Washington or Tel Aviv will not protect them. Instead they are noticing that those that are aligned with the Iranians and the Russians are the ones that are standing.
An empire that cannot guarantee the security of its satraps is one that will eventually find many of its minions turning their backs on it or betraying it. Just as America’s regime change project in Syria is failing, its time in the Middle East is drawing to an end. Those who gambled on Washington’s success, like the Saudi royals, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Erdogan, will find themselves on the losing side of the Middle East’s regional equation…
Matt hoekom pla ander mense se geloof vir jou so verskriklik – kos dit jou geld? of glo jy nou dat jy die redder is van mense?
Jou beheptheid met geloof is abnormaal.
Ek dink regtig dat jy moet n psigiater gaan sien en dit bedoel ek nie neerhalend nie, jy toon n eskalerende irrasionaleit met elke opvolgende kommentaar van jou.
Kyk hier ondertoe – dit is mos werklik nie normaal nie?