Warm debat oor ‘Rooi Oktober’ op Al Jazeera- globale TV

the_streamGisteraand om 9.30 nm. SA tyd het ‘n vurige debat op Al Jazeera se sosialemediaprogram, The Stream, plaasgevind en is terselfdertyd op dié Katarrese TV-maatskappy se globale netwerk uitgesaai.

Die onderwerp was die Rooi Oktober-veldtog wat deur Sunette Bridges georganiseer is en deur die sanger Steve Hofmeyr en dr. Dan Roodt van praag ondersteun is. Daar was vier deelnemers: Bridges, Roodt, wat die saak teen volksmoord en swart-op-wit geweld gestel het, met aan die ander kant die Naspers-rubriekskryfster Christi van der Westhuizen en die filmmaker Sipho SIngiswa.

Sowel Bridges as Roodt het die standpunt gestel dat die vlakke van geweld in die land, asook aanvalle op blankes, onaanvaarbaar hoog is. Bridges het insgelyks na regstellende aksie verwys wat blankes van hul werksgeleenthede ontneem en veroorsaak het dat daar slegs 1,2 miljoen poste in die land oor is wat deur blankes gevul word.

Christi van der Westhuizen
Christi van der Westhuizen

Beide Van der Westhuizen en Singiswe het die twee ander deelnemers van “rassisme” beskuldig omdat hulle na die ras van die aanvallers verwys. Van der Westhuizen het egter erken dat “daar hoë geweldsvlakke in Suid-Afrika bestaan”, maar dit aan “komplekse rasse- geslags- en sosio-ekonomiese faktore” toegeskryf. Sy het ook voortdurend beklemtoon dat blankes gemiddeld ryker as swartes is en dat geweld deur dié ongelykheid veroorsaak word.

Dr. Dan Roodt het na die gruweldade teen kinders en oumense verwys, asook die geval van Willemientjie Potgieter genoem as ‘n voorbeeld van sadistiese en patologiese geweld wat deur jong swart mans gepleeg word. Christi van der Westhuizen het ook erken dat “meeste misdaad onder jong swart en bruin mans voorkom”, maar dat hulle ook ‘n groter kans staan om vermoor te word.

Sipho Singiswa
Sipho Singiswa

Wat die begrip volksmoord betref, het Van der Westhuizen en Singiswa ontken dat so iets tans in die land plaasvind. Bridges het egter daarop gewys dat ontkenning die finale stadium van volksmoord is. Roodt het gesê dat dit nie oor die getal mense gaan wat vermoord word nie, maar die bedoeling en die aard van die beserings. Die skending van slagoffers se liggame dui op kliniese sadisme. Omdat Afrikaners juis vanweë hul etniese afkoms, ras, taal en kultuur geteiken word, pas die volgehoue plaasmoorde en gruweldade wel die definisie van volksmoord soos dit in die internasionale reg, onder meer in die 1948-konfense teen volksmoord van die Verenigde Nasies, gebruik word.

Van der Westhuizen het die Rooi Oktober-veldtog as ‘n “politieke projek wat op blanke oorheersing (white supremacism) gemik is”, beskryf. Sy meen dat die reg van swart groepe om oor blankes te regeer, daarmee “gedeligitimeer” word, met die implikasie dat blankes hulself sou wou regeer, wat volgens haar op “blanke oorheersing” neerkom.

Ná afloop van die debat op TV, het dit na Twitter en Facebook oorgespoel, met Steve Hofmeyr wat insgelyks aktief deelgeneem het.

89 thoughts on “Warm debat oor ‘Rooi Oktober’ op Al Jazeera- globale TV”

  1. So sy stem saam met die hoe vlakke van geweld en dat dit deur oorheersend swart mans gepleeg word maar as jy daarna verwys is jy n rassis? hoe werk dit? Hoe moet n mnes dan daarna verwys? As gewone misdaad? satanies rituele is nie eers so sadisties en geweldadid as die moord en skendings op wit slag offers nie

  2. Wyle Professor Carel Boshoff het eendag gesê:”Slegte nuus is soms beter as geen nuus,” verwysende na die media wat daarop uit is om alles te verdraai, versus die media wat hul teëstanders dood swyg.
    Soms wonder ‘n mens of dit wel die moeite werd is om “gehoor te word.” Is dit nie dalk beter om geïgnoreer te word nie? Siende dat die leuens, verdraaiings en halwe waarhede soveel skade doen.
    Maar dan wonder ‘n mens weer of jou vriende oorsee, en die duisende potensiële vriende, ooit van jou sou geweet het as die negatiewe nuus nie wêreldwyd verkondig was nie.
    Dit is ‘n onderwerp waaroor daar veel gedebatteer kan word. Ek is net bly dat die persentasie positiewe vriende oorsee meer is as die persentasie positiewe vriende binnelands. Gewoonlik is dit mos andersom.

    1. Die buiteland begin nou verstaan waarmee die Blanke in Zimbabwe en nou S Afrika mee te doen het. Hulle ondervind nou dieselfde met die kfrs, Arabiere en ander ongewensdes. Die Rooi Oktober is waardevolle reklame en Suzette en soortgelyke persoonlikheide moet as woordvoerders gekweek word.

  3. Eerstens, innige dank aan Dr Roodt, ons Ystervrou en ook Steve dat julle my as Trotse Blanke, Afrikanervrou se sentimente deel en daarvoor veg.

    Het gisteraand verneem daar is van ons eie mense wat vra, wie gee Sunette die reg om namens hulle te praat ? SIEK – wag tot jou naaste familie / vriende verkrag of vermoor word.

    DANKIE SUNETTE !

    “meeste misdaad onder jong swart en bruin mans voorkom”, maar dat hulle ook ‘n groter kans staan om vermoor te word.”

    Wat hierdie vrou waar kry ? Sover my kennis strek, het Sunette deeglik statistieke bygehou van swart op wit aanvalle !

    Weereens moet ek my kop in skaamte laat sak dat nog ‘n wit vrou (Christi van der Westhuizen) haar eerder skaar aan die kant van die swartes in stede van opstaan vir die Blanke bevolking wat uitgewis word deur swart barbare.

    SIES SIES SIES

    1. Sal eerder nie sê wat ek dink nie, mag dalk nie so mooi wees nie, maar een daing weet ek. Dat hierdie boetie boetie storie se gevolge nie so lekker is nie.. Hoe sê hulle chocolates is ook swiets, maar dankie tog vir Milky Bar.

  4. Die unieke Afrikaner Volk gaan nie langer die
    ANC se voorskrifte vir nasie bou verduur nie. Bitter min nasie-bou sal kom
    sovêr dit hierdie Afrikaners en ander minderhede
    betref. Minderhede het nie mense regte
    nie. Die ANC se praktiese beleid van
    verengelsing, rasse transformasie en rasse diskriminasie oor ‘n breë front van
    ons lewensterreine is die hoofredes vir hierdie re-aktiewe gesindheid onder minderhede
    in die algemeen en die Afrikaner Volk in besonder. Vir die ANC is transformasie
    op ekonomiese, politieke en sosiale gebiede
    sinoniem met NOODSAAKLIKE swart
    bemagtiging. Terselfdertyd verongeluk
    hierdie stompsinnige benadering sekerlik enige realistiese vooruitsigte om ‘n nasie te
    bewerkstellig. Hierdie ongesonde toedrag
    van sake stimuleer aanhoudende vervreemding by die Afrikaner en ander
    minderhede. Veral die Afrikaner se
    gesindheid is alreeds so erg re-aktief hy is besig met Interne selfbeskikking
    dmv die Nasionale Burgerregte Raad (NBR) in terme van art. 235 van die
    grondwet.

  5. Sy meen dat die reg van swart groepe om oor blankes te regeer, daarmee “gedeligitimeer” word.

    “Reg???????” Watter “reg” het ‘n Zoeloe / Rus / Chinees / Meksikaan om oor my te regeer? Daar is nie so ‘n reg nie. Elke volk het die reg om oor homself te regeer. Die ANC is ‘n onwettige, kriminele regime, wat nie die geringste reg het om oor my volk te regeer nie.

  6. The biggest copyright infringement in history: The stark resemblance between Biblical and Sumerian creation stories poses some serious questions.

    Now that we know religion, with colossal temples and ziggurats and creation myths, first sprouted along the fertile banks of the Tigris and Euphrates in Mesopotamia and the river Nile in Egypt, how could we explain the dominance of Judaism, some tribal cult which supposedly originated (centuries later in time) amid the arid terrains of Canaan, over the Egyptian and Sumerian once thriving theologies?

    Actually Judaism didn’t, surpass the influence of the Egyptian nor the Sumerian
    theology; this was a formidably hard task for any nomadic community to aspire
    for, instead Judaism did it the easy way.

    As the antiquity era was approaching an end, and as the hieroglyphic and the cuneiform writings were getting extinct, the Hebrews simply stole the Egyptian and the Sumerian thunder. The Hebrew scribes, whom I presume knew what they were doing, copycatted the famous myths/epics of ancient Egypt and Sumer, in what could be the world’s first and yet the biggest copyright infringement, and stuffed their Bible with them.

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  7. Sunette Bridges praat in 20 sekonde sound-bytes is ewe vlot in Engels en Afrikaans en is baie effektief. Mens moet jou punt VINNIG kan maak op TV. Die snaakste van almal was die Gillian Schutte vrou – iemand moet haar tog in ‘n bottel laat piepie. Sy moet gerook wees. Praat onsamehangend.
    Christi is nie naastenby so intelligent as wat ek gedink het nie – teen die einde wou sy se ‘n dosyn moorde waar wit skollies die dader was en en onskuldige swartmense die slagoffer weeg swaarder as 70 000 wit slagoffers, vermoor deur swart mans. Ongelukkig kon sy nie haar punt klaarmaak nie.
    Die punt van hierdie debat is die ANC sou hope verbleikte bene in Tanzanie en Angola gewees het (met hier en daar ‘n stukkie lewensvatbare HIV-DNA) as hulle nie ingekoop het in die idee van ‘n modus vivendi tussen wit en swart nie. Ons het hulle uitgenooi om in ons beskawing te deel in 1992 – die ANC kon net nie die sprong na die 21ste eeu maak nie. Daar is kwalik meer sprake oor van ‘n modus vivendi so na my mening het die ANC sy legitimiteit om net oor my te regeer prysgegee. Swarte wat my probeer vermoor het – LOL! – my Tannie Bets wat ‘n hartaanval gehad het tydens ‘n kaping my nefie Nico wat sy vrou voor hom jaag terwyl koeels om hulle koppe fluit selfde Nico wat deur die 10111 operateur gevra word of hy nie mens kan groet nie terwyl sy vrou met haar vinger sit indie hart van ‘n dogter wat in die skoolbank voor hom gesit het terwyl sy doodbloei my niggie wat gekaap is my nefie se vrou wat gekaap is my swaer Jaco wat sy ouboet moes gaan red toe Danie-hulle die kamer deur met ‘n hangkas probeer toehou het terwyl hy bid Jaco moet betyds wees…Nee! Dit is alles te veel. Dit is nie ‘n modus vivendi nie. Ek het daardie haat in daardie oe van naby gesien. Christi kan se dit is gewone misdaad en almal ly daaronder, wit en swart word dieselfde geraak. My antwoord aan Christi is eenvoudig – in die eerste plek is die wit slagoffers feitlik almal vermoor deur swart daders, onder en teen die bepalings van ‘n vredesverdrag. DIt is die feit van die saak. Tweedens -daar is nie ‘n wit regering wat konstant besig is met rassemobilisasie nie teenoor mense wie se velkleur ‘n vyand-uniform is wat konstant 24/7 uitgewys word as die bron van al die wereld se ellende nie. Ander sou daardie wit regering met reg aangese kon word om pa te staan vir die gevolge van hulle ewige rassemobilisasie. Dit is die verskil. Waar wit mense op geweldadige gruwelike wyse vermoor word is daar ‘n blaam-ideologie agter. En dit is wat dit volksmoord maak.

  8. Die interessante gewaarwording vir my is dat Christi en Shingiswa blykbaar nie die redoctober webwerf gelees het nie. Hulle het daarom slegs hulle eie sosio-kulturele hoed op rooi oktober geplaas – ala Albert Brenner. Dit gebeur nogal baie. Ek wonder hoeveel van die swartes wat vermoor word, word ook so vermink soos in die geval van wittes? Statisties moet mens nie kyk na moorde nie, maar na eksterne oorsake van moorde in SA wat gemiddeld 60 000 gevalle/jaar oor die laaste 20 jaar is (dis eintlik ‘n plato). Dis meer tegniese data en meer werk, maar dit sal ons eie sosio-kulturele boodskap kon ondersteun – veral as die luisteraars buitelanders is. Dit sal ook die uitwissingsargument (wat maar net een van baie argumente is) versterk as mens met instansies soos die VN praat.

  9. Die blankes wat aan die optog deelgeneem het, het nie buitebande verbrand, eiendom beskadig en soos wilde diere tekere gegaan nie want ons is beskaafd.Al wat die blanke vra is dat hy oor homself moet regeer. Niks minder nie. Blankes en swartmense kan nie integeer as een nasie nie.

  10. Verder ondertoe skryf een volslae ongelowige ateis dat die Bybel se Torah (die vyf boek van Moses) gekopieer is van egipte en sumerië. Ter wille van my liefde vir die Here Jesus Christus moet ek hom hier weerspreek. Sy stelling is ‘n tipiese verdraaing van die satan. Maar vir die wat graag bevestiging wil hê vir die outentiekheid van die Bybel as boodskap van die Almagtige Skepper, volg Genesis 7:11, 24 en 8:4. Let spesifiek op die 17de telkens en die onderliggende veronderstelling dat elke maand presies 30 dae het. Blaai dan na Openbaring 11:2-3 asook Openbaring 12:6 saam met 12:14. Daar vind jy dieselfde onderliggende veronderstelling. Hierdie selfde onderliggende veronderstelling is nodig om die voorspelling in Daniël 9:24-26 te verstaan, waarin die presiese dag, maand en jaar waarop ons Here Jesus Christus gekruisig is, reeds vyfhonderd jaar voor die tyd reeds voorspel is. Die sewetal waarvan daar gepraat word is natuurlik die Sabatsjaar soos beskryf in Levitikus 25. Natuurlik moet jy Daniël 9 uit die 1953 vertaling lees om enige sin daarvan te maak, die 1983 vertaling is hopeloos verdraai. Jy sien, dwarsdeur van Genesis tot Openbaring is daar eintlik net een Outeur, en die hele Bybel gaan oor ons Here Jesus Christus.

    1. Moenie die arme drommel ernstig op vat nie Getuie, maar ek respekteer jou opregtheid en dat jy opstaan vir die saak uit liefde. As jy Matt Heyns kan oortuig dat hy nie so slim is as wat hy dink nie, dan het ons ‘n wonderwerk waargeneem. Soos jy kan sien het hy sy sonde liewer as die waarheid.

      Hy kan nie glo nie want hy wil nie glo nie want as hy glo moet hy verander en hy wil nie. So om die Bybel te diskrediteer dink hy, hy spreek homself vry om te maak net wat hy wil, die god van sy eie bestaan. Dit is ‘n tragedie. Maar moenie dat ek jou stop nie, ek hoop hy antwoord jou terug, wees net gewaarsku. Sterkte. As jy enige iets wil doen aan die saak is daar net een ding om te doen, bid dat die seeman die ligtoring sien.

      1. 1. Most Christians believe that the God of the Bible is the most fair and just and most important, most loving!. Let us see how much truth this belief really holds:The entire Bible is corrupt. The authors of the Bible are mysterious! Before we start, it is important to know that the Bible’s original authors are mysterious people. No one knows who they were.Please visit The original Bible was lost! See comments from Historians and Theologians from the commentary of the NIV Bible (one of the most used Bibles world wide) itself admitting that most of the Books and Gospels of the Bible are corrupted. No one ever claimed ownership of the current Books and Gospels. The owners/writers are unknown.

        2. Let’s look at what the Bible says about Christians and Hell: You might think you’re going to Heaven when you’re not!

        It’s ironic how Christians constantly repeat the following nonsense: “If you believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins, and that he is your savior, then you will go to Heaven.”

        I heard this phrase from almost every single Christian missionary that I debated. Let us see how truthful this claim really is:

        “Many will say to me (Jesus) on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 7:22-23)”

        These verses clearly prove that believing in Jesus as the “Savior” who died on the cross for our sins may not necessarily really save us, hence this refutes the nonsense that the Christian missionaries keep repeating, because they themselves may not be saved and are going to Hell without even knowing it.

        Let us look at further verses from the Bible that prove that most Christians are going to Hell:

        Adultery is prohibited in the Bible, and that’s perfectly fine with me:

        Deuteronomy 22:22 “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.”

        Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.”

        Proverbs 6:32 “But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself.” He destroys himself by being put to death as shown above.

        But here comes the part that will cause most Christians of today to go to Hell:

        Matthew 19:9 “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

        Mark 10:11 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.”

        Mark 10:12 “And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

        Luke 16:18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

        Since adultery is clearly prohibited in the Bible, and since most Western Christians today are divorced and are either living with their boyfriends/girlfriends or married to other people, wouldn’t that cause for them to be thrown in Hell? After all, most Western Christians according to the Bible are committing adultery!

        So to all of you divorced (except for marital unfaithfulness) Christians out there, YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL!

        Why do I think that adultery in the Bible would cause a person to go to Hell? Read the following:

        Let us look at further verses from the Bible that prove that most Christians are going to Hell:

        “If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:29)”

        As a Muslim, I can appreciate putting laws against sexual sinning and adultery. But the above verse is quite ironic! It clearly states that if any Christian (including our missionary friends) sins, even by looking at another human being lustfully, he/she better get rid of the body part that sinned instead of suffering the Eternal torture of Hell.

        Come on now! To all of you Christian men and women out there, including your priests and ministers (who on many occasions end up raping and child molesting), how many times did you “masturbate”?! Oh well, I hate to break the bad news to you, but YOU’RE ALL GOING TO HELL ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE!

        A Christian got so freaked out from the above verse, that he decided to slice off his penis.

        Important Note: The reasons that a person would get tortured in Hell for eternity in the Bible are quite ridiculous! You don’t have to be an atheist to suffer the torture of Hell in the Bible. Just be a normal human being is all what it takes!

        A “normal human being” that I am referring to is not someone who is sexually sinful as the Westerners are today with their illegal sex without marriage cultural practices (from boyfriends and girlfriends living together, to one-night stand sex, to pornography, etc…). No, a “normal human being” in my definition is one who tries to avoid sins as much as possible, but still falls into doing few of them every once in a while, and always regrets and seeks Allah Almighty’s forgiveness and mercy for doing them.

        Please visit The mercy of Allah Almighty in Islam.

        Please visit What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe in?

        Ironically, it is the same Bible that promotes X-Rated Pornography:

        It’s quite ironic that even in pornography, the Bible has the dumbest contradictions! Above, we’ve seen from the Bible that less than a fraction of the 1% of the entire Christian population that ever existed on earth will make it to heaven, simply because of normal sinning, and women “defiling” men (as shown in the “The Bible blames women for defiling men” section below)! But yet, it is the same self-contradicting dumb Bible that speaks so highly about X-Rated Pornography. Let us look at few examples from this man-made corrupted horny book:

        She wished if her lover was her brother, so she doesn’t have to take him home with her in secret. He must have satisfied her really good!! Let us look at Song of Songs 8:1-3 “If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother’s breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother’s house– she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me.” She wished if he were her biological brother so she can take him home without a secret and there he can have sex with her all the time!

        Comparing the sister’s breasts to the size of the towers: Let us look at the following verses: “We have a young sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister for the day she is spoken for? (Song of Songs 8:8)” and later about the sister…..”I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment. (Song of Songs 8:10)”

        Let us look at Proverbs 5:19 “A loving doe, a graceful deer, may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love.”

        Let us look at Proverbs 7:18 “Come, let’s drink deep of love till morning; let’s enjoy ourselves with love!” Could this verse in the Bible be referring to love making and sexual intercourse “till morning”?

        Let us look at Song of Songs 1:13 “My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts.”

        Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 “How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant” Could this verse meant to say “And our bed in love making is verdant”?

        For a detailed list on how the Bible allows brothers to sexually fantasize about their biological sisters’ breasts and vaginas, and to see how the Bible speaks about penises and their growth, and to see how the Bible talks about how “round” and “tasty like wine” women’s vaginas and breasts are, see my article on X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.

        Again, please visit The original Bible was lost! See comments from Historians and Theologians from the commentary of the NIV Bible (one of the most used Bibles world wide) itself admitting that most of the Books and Gospels of the Bible are corrupted. No one ever claimed ownership of the current Books and Gospels. The owners/writers are unknown.

        The following was taken from the The original Bible was lost! article:

        The book of Song of Songs:

        “Verse 1 appears to ascribe authorship to Solomon. Solomon is referred to seven times, and several verses speak of the ‘king’, but whether he was the author remains an open question. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 997)”

        “Two lovers, Solomon and a Shulamite girl, express their feelings for one another, with occasional comments made by friends. (From the King James Version Commentary, page 945)”

        Again, we don’t know who wrote the book. Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible regarding this pornful and sick book; the book of:

        1- She wished if her lover was her brother nursed at her “mother’s breasts” so she wouldn’t have to take him home in secret.

        2- Her breasts and vagina taste like wine for him.

        The KJV Bible’s Theologians and Historians say that the porn-full book talks about Solomon and his lover. But we don’t know whether it was Solomon who wrote this book or not, nor do we know whether this is some ridiculous poem and a lie written after he died or not.

        One must ask a simple question here: Why should there be “lovers” in the Bible? Why should there be illegal sex and disgusting pornography in the Bible?

        (www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm)

        No one knows who in the world wrote the porn-full book, and yet Christians believe that it is a valid book in the Bible, even though the author(s) of the book is mysterious.

        The Bible blames women for defiling men:

        As always, the Bible doesn’t leave women alone [1] [2] [3]. They have to be blamed for every bad thing men do.

        Let us look at Revelations 14:1,4 “1. Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

        4. Those are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb.”

        Let us look at Revelations 7:1-8 “1. After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

        2. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:

        3. “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God [those who did not defile themselves with women according to Revelation 14:4].”

        4. Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

        5. From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

        6. from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

        7. from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

        8. from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.”

        Must women always be blamed for what men do from sins? Are women that filthy that men can be defiled from them, and the vise versa is not true?

        Never in Islam did Allah Almighty blame women for the sins men do. Every human being is responsible for his/her sins. Even in the story of Adam and Eve, the Bible blames Eve for everything, while in the Noble Quran Adam and Eve are both blamed equally.

        Please visit The story of Adam and Eve in the Noble Quran.

        Anyway, the book of Revelation is a very doubtful book in the Bible. The following was taken from the The original Bible was lost! article:

        The Book of Revelation:

        “Four times the author identifies himself as John (1:1,4,9; 22:8)…..In the third century, however, an African bishop named Dionysius compared the language, style and thought of the Apocalypse (Revelation) with that of the other writings of John and decided that the book could not been written by the apostle of John. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1922)”

        Again, we don’t know who wrote the Book of Revelation. It is certainly highly doubtful that it was written by Apostle John. The Theologians and Historians of the NIV Bible seem to agree with the invalidity of this book from the above quote. So are you now going to consider the other John’s words as the Words and Inspirations of GOD Almighty?

        Notice that in the sections of “Gospel of John” and “Gospels of 1, 2 & 3 John” above, the author did not identify himself and it was ASSUMED without actual proofs that it was Saint John who wrote them. Notice how they said that if he were to identify himself, then it would be hard for them to explain it.

        Now, notice the author in the Book of Revelation does identify himself as John, but he has a complete different language and style of writing from the other books, which created much uncertainty about its validity in the Church.

        My questions here are: Who wrote the Books? And is or is not Saint John supposed to identify himself in his books? And where are his books that have his name on them?

        Again, keep in mind that the NT was not even documented on paper until 150 to 300 years after Jesus (depending on what Christian you talk to). So the dating is way too long for us to be assuming books to belong to certain people. Let alone considering their nonsense (contents) as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty.

        The Book of Revelation is a very important, probably the most important Book in the Bible today, because it has prophecies in it of what Christians believe is for our future today, even though it has nothing to do with our current world. It talks about Jesus soon (1800 to 2000 years ago) will return (Revelation 22:7). I don’t know how soon is 2000 years to the Bible. All the people that this book was told to had died.

        It also talks about the great battle of Gog and Magog fighting the righteous; “and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth [The earth DOES NOT have four corners and no the earth is not a square or rectangle. It is round almost like an egg!!]–Gog and Magog–to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. (From the NIV Bible, Revelation 20:8)”

        The thing that we need to notice here beside the grave error about the shape of the earth in this false book (sorry to say that), is that the Gog and Magog existed before. Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 39:1), is the name of the leader and Magog is the name of his nation (Ezekiel 38 and 39). The Gog and Magog army had already been defeated and the Noble Quran confirms their story. There had been historical discoveries that perfectly match the Noble Quran’s claims regarding the Gog and Magog, such as the discovery of the “Iron Gates”, and other literature that mentions the Gog and Magog army and location. There is even historical documentation about them which matches the Noble Quran in London, England.

        Please visit The story of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran and the Bible to see the references and proofs of these historical discoveries and several more.

        The Bible says: The earth is flat! See all the verses in the Bible that claim the earth is flat.

        It is a common Christian answer to say “We support Israel because it is God’s promised land to the Jews, and He will prevail them against the army of Gog and Magog who seems to be mainly an Islamic army today.” They mostly rely on the Book of Revelation from the Bible to support this claim.

        The story of the Gog and Magog army attacking the Jews exists in both the Book of Ezekiel and the Book of Revelation in the Bible. The Book of Ezekiel which came literally thousands of years before the Book of Revelation predicted the attack and defeat of the army of Gog and Magog.

        The Noble Quran (The Muslims’ Holy Scripture) talks about the army of Gog and Magog in details and explains the events that ALREADY took place. As I mentioned above, there had been historical discoveries that perfectly match the Noble Quran’s claims regarding the Gog and Magog, such as the discovery of the “Iron Gates”, and other literature that mentions the Gog and Magog army and location.

        Please visit The army of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran and the Bible.

        The lie (sorry to say that) of the Book of Revelation, however, also predicts the coming of the army of Gog and Magog. But as I said, the army of Gog and Magog were ALREADY predicted in the Bible thousands of years before the Book of Revelation.

        So, the prediction in the Book of Revelation proves that the writer of the book, lacked a great deal of knowledge about history, because as I said, the event of the Gog and Magog battle (i.e., the battle of Armageddon) already happened!

        The point is that the Book of Revelation, however, like most of the Bible today seems to be nothing but a big hoax (sorry to say that). It is very doubtful, but yet ironically, very important to the Christians of today.

        Would you honestly deep inside yourself call nonsense of this kind the True Living Words of GOD Almighty, especially after knowing that very important early Christian resources thought “the book could not been written by the apostle of John”?

        1. Jou moslem vriend is reg oor een ding, geloof op sy eie is NIE genoeg nie want die duiwel glo ook en hy sidder.

          Vir hoe lank stort jy nou al hierdie braaksel oor ons uit? Dan spandeer ek ure om jou te antwoord (nadat JY net gecopy en paste het gou vir 5 minute). Vir solank ek nou al kan my tyd by Praag onthou, vanaf die ou webwerf.

          Al wat ek by jou kry vir my moeite en kosbare tyd is …

          “twak, out twak”

          Nee wat, jy sweef in die dooie ruimte sonder ‘n tou en daar is niks wat ek vir jou menslik kan doen nie.

    2. MANY ARE THE STORIES THAT WERE TOLD IN THE HEBREW BIBLE, BUT THE GREATEST STORY THAT IS YET TO BE TOLD IS THE STORY OF THE HEBREW BIBLE ITSELF.

      1. The relationship with gods/god has always been one of man’s oldest preoccupations, and still is till this very day. And while it’s fair to assume that Modern day man owes his advancement in philosophy and science to ancient Greece and its earliest thinkers, it’s equally fair, when it comes to the development of religion and the evolution of religious thinking, to give credence to the ancient civilizations of Egypt and Mesopotamia.
      2. In fact, the earliest vestiges of human faith in God, as we know it today, are to be traced back to the valley of the river Nile and between the rivers Euphrates and Tigris. We’re surely to find the root of our belief in a supreme creator inscribed, in hieroglyphs and cuneiform, on the pyramids and papyri of ancient Egypt and on the clay tablets of Sumer … And not within the confines of the Hebrew Bible, as many still believe.
      3. And if we still cherish the Greek school of wisdom and science and continue to build on the teachings of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and Pythagoras, I wonder why we stopped honoring the ancient gods of Egypt and Sumer and Babylon.What has become of the mighty gods of the ancient Near East? What happened to Anu and Enlil, what has become of the beautiful Goddess “Inanna” Ishtar … The one god, Aten, and what happened to the omnipotent Amun/Amen of Thebes? … Amen, whose name is still echoing in every house of prayers of all organized religions on earth?
      4. How come we fail to recall any of the magnificent epics of Sumer (watch video of the epic of Gilgamesh) or the amazing mythology of Egypt (watch video of the Egyptian creation myth) whereas our kids know the stories of the Hebrew Bible by heart. But then again, if our kids are to be introduced to the myths of ancient Egypt and the epics of Sumer (watch video of the Sumerian creation myth) they won’t feel like they are in a strange land. The stories of Sumer and Egypt will sound so familiar. A lot of the stories in the Old Testament are in fact plagiarized material, particularly from the rich mythical heritage of the Sumerians – the inventors of writing. The story of Noah and the flood story, the creation of man out of clay,Cain and Abel, the gardens of Eden, the tree of knowledge, creation of Eve from Adams rib, and numerous other myths, like the throwing of Moses after he was born in the river, are all but stories found recorded on Sumerian clay tablets dating 5000 years back in time”
      5. This has long been common knowledge among the scholars of history, archaeology and anthropology, but I find it extremely necessary today, in the so called information age, to drag it out of the academia realm and expose it in the open before the public eyes. Why do we remember and celebrate legendary figures like David and Solomon who had no bearing on the human history course, while we hardly recognize the enormous impact historical figures like Akhenaten or Hammurabi had on how we today come to define monotheism and the rule of law. (Watch video of Hammurabi’s code of laws, some of which are echoed in Moses’s commandments) But then, what do we, men of modern times, know or even care? … We were only told that in the beginning was the word. But according to history … it wasn’t.
      6. In the beginning, was the river – the Nile in Egypt and Tigris and Euphrates in Mesopotamia. The river and the profound connection with nature gave the Egyptians and the Sumerians not only the stability and prosperity but also the craving to contemplate the creation of our cosmos and how life on earth came to be. In other words, the river made the Egyptians and the Sumerians religious, and in a philosophical way. But does that mean that non-agricultural communities were not religious. To answer that question, we first have to differentiate between religion and rituals. Most primitive communities, e.g., nomadic tribes like the Hebrews, had their local deities, as gods of war and fertility. On the other hand, a religion in ancient Egypt was not a religion of comfort or beneficence. It was an all-embracing doctrine, like a harmony that was observed by all the players in a big philharmonic orchestra. It was a way of life.
      7. These Egyptian and Mesopotamian religions were Mythopoeic. Whereas our world view may be scientific or rational, so we tend to believe, these river civilizations adopted a world view based on myth.

    3. Who were the authors of the Bible, this fine old book, known
      as The Book of God or God’s Word? What was their inspiration? From the confused
      accounts of the racial history of the Jewish people, little is known that can
      be considered reliable. It is speculated, with some reason, that they were
      migrants from a region of Afghanistan near the Hindu Kush, since Hebrew names
      and words are still common there. The Pentateuch itself marks its Brahmin
      origin. But whatever the history of the Jewish people before their captivity by
      Chaldean s and Egyptians, they had developed racial integrity and a strong sense
      of unity. Once they regained their freedom, they gathered together in an effort
      to rebuild their nation. Their aim was to have their own laws, their own
      scriptures, and their own God.

  11. Die Menseregtekommissie
    (MRK) het Woensdag gesê dat daar ʼn klagte teen Steve Hofmeyr, Afrikaanse
    sanger en aktivis, ingedien is weens opmerkings wat hy tydens 10
    Oktober se Red October-veldtog by die Uniegebou gemaak het.

    die gemeenskap van Barkley-Oos is geskok gelaat nadat Frans Dawid de
    Villiers en sy vrou, Rallie de Villiers, vanoggend omstreeks 04:00
    vermoor is. De Villiers se broer, Dawie, is ook tydens die aanval met ’n
    mes gesteek en veg tans vir sy lewe in die hospitaal.

      1. Arnie ek wil nie eers meer die koerante lees of nuus kyk nie, maar mens kan nie van die werklikheid weghardloop nie. Daar moet nou drasties iets gedoen word. Geen politieke party noem eers sulke gevalle nie, maar daar word ‘n san speurders aangestel om die K4 KINDERS SE MOORD TE ONDERSOEK. HOE WERK DIT?

        1. Slegs ‘n geheime vigilante Afrikaner/Boere vergeldings eenheid sal die regering dwing om aandag aan hierdie vraagstuk te gee.
          En daar is sulke manne beskikbaar.
          Ek propageer dit openlik, want ek en ‘n paar duisend ander Afrikaners het die volle reg om nou wraak te neem.
          Nie ek of enige van die vermoorde Blankes het nou enige beskerming nie. dit is dus ons volle onvervreembare reg om weerstand te bied teen hierdie vergrype.
          Daar is ‘n reël hieroor êrens opgeskryf. Of dit die VN of wêreld hof is, is ek nie seker van nie. Mens moet dit bietjie gaan opspoor, en navors.

          1. Mnr. Die redakteur, Waarom is daar meer nuus in engels as in Afrikaans? Met minder kommentaar?

          2. Seg ek gaan lees elke dag die Engelse nuus op Praag ook, dit is bietjie verskillend van die Afrikaans.

          3. Dit, Betjie, is wat my die blixems in maak ! Ek het nog nie soveel as EEN maal gehoor dat ‘n belonging (hoe klein ookal) uitgeloof word na enige Blanke vermoor is nie ! Korrigeer my indien ek verkeerd is.

  12. Vanuit ‘n propaganda-perspektief gesien het die regime en sy poppe die slegste daarvan afgekom.
    Wat meer is, die skade is gedoen aan die beeld van die regime en naspes.
    Posisionering – die twee opponente is deur A Jazeera sorgvuldig opgestel vir maksimum impak. Aan die een kant ‘n swarte wie se soort in die algemeen as onbetroubaar beskou word tesame met ‘n vrou wie se geslag in die algemeen as minderwaardig beskou word.
    Aan die ander kant weer ‘n man wie se velkleur geag word en ‘n vrou wat eweneens dieselfde beskou word soos in die geval van vd Westhuizen. Persepsieël in ons guns. Die persepsie is versterk met SB se netjiese oorkom en dra van haarself as persoon en haar boodskap. Negeer/minimeer die persepsie van die vrou en haar plek.
    S B vs vd W – eg. het die regte ding gedoen nl “byte/bite size” punte – nie argumente nie. vdW het geargumenteer oor geldigheid van stellings – fatal!
    Bewusmaking – dit gaan nie om wen of verloor nie maar om bewuswording en -making van die problem. Ons 10/10 en hulle 0/10.

    1. Mens kan net verbouereerd sit en toekyk hoe twee Afrikaanse mense op T.V. – teen alle verwagting – beskaafd en punts-gewys die feite noem… geen “don’t touch me on my studio” kaskenades nie. Ek voel amper jammer vir die lefties wie nou skielik begin besef dat iemand op hulle skreeu vanaf `n bult wat nog hoër is as hulle Moral High Ground.

  13. Ek wonder hoeveel van ons Praag-lesers het Sunette se nederig en baie beskeie boodskap van dank, hoop, ens. gelees op haar FB-blad.

    Haar laaste paragraaf lui as volg :

    “Ek is gemaklik in my Aktivis-skoene… as dit reg is met julle, sal ek dit graag vir nog ‘n rukkie wil dra! Sx”

    JA Sunette, jy is my stem !

  14. Kom ons verbeel gou onsself die regering voldoen aan die mandaat van Rooi Oktober en gee ons weer toegang tot die werksplek en erken die sadistiese haat aanvalle teen blankes, wat dan? Gaan ons dan net deel word van veelrassige Suid-Afrika en saam met die ander rasse in harmonie lewe, wat sê julle 20 jaar se NSA ondervinding vir julle?

    Ek stem saam, mens moet praat as iets jou pla veral in ‘n demokratiese bestel ek was ook daar met my ballon, maar soos ek dit sien moet ons in plaas van gelyke regte en polisie beskerming loop vra, eerder ten alle koste self beskikking soek. Suid-Afrika en Amerika het bewys, diversiteit doen meer skade as goed. Rasse moet nie forseer word om saam te woon nie dit is malligheid, hulle moet vry wees om te kies om apart van mekaar te woon. Jou ras bepaal jou natuur. Swartes se natuur is anders as asiate sin, Indiërs se natuur is anders as blankes al vier het verskillende sterktes, swakhede, temperamente, verstandelike en fisiese vermoë. Vir ons om te oorleef in die toekoms in moet ons onafhanklik en eenkant wees. Nie omdat ons dink ons is beter of swakker nie, maar omdat ras ‘n kragtige uitwerking het op wie jy is.

    Ek is bly Sunette gaan die aktivis skoene aan hou, maar kom ons kyk na ons eie gebied waar ons as blankes kan saam leef en ontsnap het hierdie multi-kulti egalistiese veelrassige samelewing, DIT WERK NIE.

    1. Die wortel van die kwaad is jare lange opsweping en haat jeens die witman. Dit gaan steeds voort. Die groot gelieg dat die witman steeds meer grond besit, beter lewe, meer geld het is nie in perpektief nie. Die populasie (rasse) getalle word nie in die berekeninge in ag geneem nie. Alles word tog statisties bereken! Ek kan nie deelneem aan die droom dat sou hul ophou om ons te moor en weer werksgeleentheid gee ons integrasie met hul suksesvol kan wees nie. Dit is ook ‘n fabel, in my opinie, dat hul ons ‘n stukkie grond met eie regering sal gee. Die ONTKENNING van die volksmoord en wegneem van ons bestaansreg is ‘n probleem wat nie net voor die deur van die regering geplaas word nie, maar ook die ganse wereld. Almal was teen aparte ontwikkeling. Die wereld het geen idee waarmee ons te make het hier nie. Niemand is bereid om die reuse kultuur gaping te bespreek nie. Integrasie werk nie. Dit word weggesteek! Die beeld wat voorgehou word is dat ons ‘n “rainbow nation” is wat in vrede saam leef. Daarom KAN hulle nie vir ons grondgebied gee nie. Hoekom sou hulle? Ons is dan so gelukkig saam in een genepoel. My visie vorentoe is een van wanhoop(revolusie) en Hoop (ingryping van Bo). Sonder dit, sien ek geen vrede en ‘n regverdige samelewing nie.

  15. Dit is tipies van die liberaliste dat hulle maklik ons konservatiewes sal beskuldig van rasisme en haatspraak, soos Ganga gedoen het teun Steve Hofmeyer. Maar hulle sal nie ons kan stil maak nie en ons moet voort bou op die Rooi Oktober. In die VSA waar ek nou is is die Tea Party ook besig om te veg vir die vryheid van die Amerikaners wat Barak Obama probeer vernietig met sy sosialisme en sy Islamitiese idologie, presies dieselfde as wat die ANC doen in Suid Afrika. Ons kan nie maar net stil bly en toe sien dat ons uitgewis word deur die ANC an Malema barbare nie. En o ja, die Media in Suid Afrika manipuleer ook die Government Shutdown sage en beskuldig die Republikeine vir die gemors instede om die waarheid te praat. Ek ondersteun wat die Republiekyne probeer doen teen die OBAMA CARE wat in die rent komunisties is en die feit dat die Republiekyne veral onder die leiding van die Teaparty Obama aanvat en hom probeer verhoed om die Amerikaanse Grondwet te probeer verkrag. Ons moet die Liberaliste aan die kaak stel en ontbloot vir wat hulle is en opstaan vir ons reg as Afrikaners, vir ons taal, reg, kultuur en erfinis wat die ANC probeer vernietig

  16. Ook wil ek verder byvoeg, die ANC is kommunisties en is n gevaar vir alle rasse in Suid Afrika en het te veel steun van China. Net so ook die Obama groep wat ook deur China ondersteun word.Beide van hull voel niks vir die onderskye grondwette nie, so lank as wat hull in beheer kan wees, dan is hulle gelukig, al stuur hulle beide Suid Afrika en die VSA die grond in, hulle blameer maar net ons Afrikaners en Amerikaners, beskuldig ons van rasisme en terrorisme soos Obama doen. Vir die mense wat nog bewapen is, moenie julle vuurwapens inhandig nie. Hier het on Malema wat geen probleem met Obama sal he nie en Obama is geen Amerikaanse burger nie maar oorspronklik van Kenya af, is n Moslem en Kommunis waar hy probeer om Christelike waardes te vernietig, maar die Media is stil daaroor, net soos hulle ook stil is oor die volksmoord teen on Afrikaners, en verdraai hulle alles. Die NASPERS is maar net n mondstuk vir die Kommuniste, staan vir die Nuwe Wereld Order

  17. Uit ons geskiedenis kan ons baie leer – soos die rede hoekom die Voortrekkers of soos die Britte ons voorvaders genoem het Trekboere uit die Kaap getrek het. Die een rede was om onder die druk van die Britte uit te kom – dieselfde Britte wat Hottentotte aangestel het as die Polisie van die Kaap. Hulle was dan direk baas oor die aanvalle tussen die Xhosas en die grensboere – die arrestasies wat plaasgevind het omdat die grensboere die Xhosas se grens oorsteek het om hulle vee terug te gaan vat.

    Hierdie liberalis, dink ook nie dit is die regte woord daarvoor nie – sal haar maar net saddis, skaam vir haar eie vel Christi van der Westhuysen – se denkwyse is dat daar aanvaarding gedoen moet word dat swartes oor blankes moet regeer – ons uitmoor en ons moet dit aanvaar.

    Sy is baie beslis nie trots op haar voorvaders wat die land opgebou het nie – sy verafsku heelwaarskynlik die grafte in die konsentrasiekerkhowe.

    Baie jamerlikke persoon

  18. Vervrissend nê ?

    Ek wonder tog of die R.O. poging nou skielik tot einde strompel. Of sal die individue wie dit dryf besef dat die yster nou geslaan moet word ? Net gister is nog twee sigbare moorde gepleeg en `n persoon is volgens die normale nie-rassige prosedure aangerand (ie. net die gebruiklike martelling). Vertaal iemand dit ? is dit reeds op die R.O. blad ?

    Hierdie ding kan lelik ontplof, en die skade kan verby die SA regering weergalm tot in die lesing lokale van Cornell universiteit.

    1. Ek het hierdie basiese idee wat kan goed werk – lelike plaasmoordprentjies met mooi rooi ballone iewers op die prentjie – ek het nie tyd om vandag daaraan te werk nie en ek is ook nie baie kunstig – maar ek dink dit kan nogal impak hê.

      1. Soveel impak as wat dit mag hê kan ek jou belowe dat by vêrre die meeste mense skielik sal wil weg kom van konfronterende beelde.

        Ek dink die nuus berigte het beter effek omdat mense skakels (favorites) kan bylas by hulle daaglikse dieet van literatuur.

        Jy sal dalk nog beter aftrek kry indien jy hierdie twee blaaie van tyd tot tyd kaap – en skakels oor die hoof blad plaas :

        http://www.ushmm.org/
        http://www.jhc.org.au/

    1. Anthony, die Afrikaner wag eers todat sy rugby seisoen oor is. Oops daarna volg krieket en wie weet wat nog. Dit is waaroor die oorgrote meerderheid Afrikaners hul bemoei, naamlik hul sport. Hulle is nie nou begaan oor hul toekoms of die toekoms van hul kinders nie.

  19. As baie mense saamstem oor iets, beteken dit nie noodwendig dat dit heeltemal die waarheid is nie. Die propoganda-veldtog teen die witmense (en teen nasionalisme), wat terseltertyd ook ‘n propoganda-veldtog vir anderskleuriges en vir mult-kulti is, was ‘n hewige een tot dusver en persepsies het baie geskuif. Wat die massas mense wat in hierdie veldtog se mikpunte ingekoop het, nie besef nie, is dat ons nou al by ‘n punt is waar die nuwe bestel se vergrype veel erger is as wat Apartheid s’n ooit was. Sonder dat hierdie mense dit weet, word hulle deel van ‘n volksmoord. Hulle keur dit goed en dwing dit selfs af.

  20. Is dit net ek of werk die link na die video nie meer nie? Die onderhoud is nerens te vind op Al Jazeera nie – net ‘n berig oor Rooi Oktober. Sal baie graag die onderhoud met Dan en Sunnette wil sien? Het ook op Youtube gesoek. Enige iemand??

  21. Van der Westhuizen sit die pot heeltemal mis oor wit oorheersing. Die blankes wil net ‘n eie klip hê waar hulle oor hulleself kan heers. Niks meer van die voogdyskap oor ander nasies, volke en tale nie. Hulle is groot genoeg om vir hulleself te sorg.

  22. “”Sy het ook voortdurend beklemtoon dat blankes gemiddeld ryker as swartes is en dat geweld deur dié ongelykheid veroorsaak word.””
    So .. wat is dit dan andersins as rassisme? , ou Wessie
    As hulle ophou om hulle koppe te breek oor die Bankes en liewer daardie energie vir hulleself aanwend, gaan dit dalk beter met hulle.

  23. We Invented Jesus Christ

    Biblical scholars will be appearing at the ‘Covert Messiah’
    Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial
    discovery to the British public.

    [Jesus Christ] may be the only fictional
    character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources.

    London (PRWEB UK) 8
    October 2013

    1.
    American Biblical
    scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first
    time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery:
    ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the
    New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they
    fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a
    one-day symposium entitled “Covert Messiah” at Conway Hall in Holborn
    (full details can be found athttp://www.covertmessiah.com).

    2.
    Although to many
    scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers,
    Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is
    only a matter of time. “I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do
    not want to directly cause Christians any harm,” he acknowledges,
    “but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the
    truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false
    histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is
    against the best interests of the common people.”

    3.
    Atwill asserts that
    Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government
    project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman
    Empire. “Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a
    prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection
    during the first century,” he explains. “When the Romans had
    exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to
    psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous
    Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That’s when
    the ‘peaceful’ Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this
    Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to ‘give onto
    Caesar’ and pay their taxes to Rome.”

    4.
    Was Jesus based on a
    real person from history? “The short answer is no,” Atwill insists,
    “in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire
    life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid
    bare, there’s simply nothing left.”

    5.
    Atwill’s most intriguing
    discovery came to him while he was studying “Wars of the Jews” by
    Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century
    Judea] alongside the New Testament. “I started to notice a sequence of
    parallels between the two texts,” he recounts. “Although it’s been
    recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus
    appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman
    war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that
    the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the
    same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of
    [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a
    deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually
    constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of
    a Roman Caesar.”

    6.
    How could this go
    unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? “Many of the parallels
    are conceptual or poetic, so they aren’t all immediately obvious. After all,
    the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but
    they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class
    would probably have recognised the literary game being played.” Atwill
    maintains he can demonstrate that “the Roman Caesars left us a kind of
    puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the
    solution to that puzzle is ‘We invented Jesus Christ, and we’re proud of
    it.'”

    7.
    Is this the beginning of
    the end of Christianity? “Probably not,” grants Atwill, “but
    what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the
    religion to make a clean break. We’ve got the evidence now to show exactly
    where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to
    some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind
    control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war
    throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to
    create support for war in the Middle East.”

    8.
    Atwill encourages
    skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there
    is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow
    scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book “Jesus Never Existed.”

    9.
    Further information can
    be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

    10.
    About Joseph Atwill: Joseph
    Atwill is the author of the best-selling book “Caesar’s Messiah” and
    its upcoming sequel “The Single Strand.”

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