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Terwyl ons verheug is oor die aantal besoeke wat ons ontvang, asook die lewendige debat op die Disqus-kommentaarfunksie wat sommige artikels uitlok, wil ons lesers daarop attent maak dat die PRAAG-geselsforum soms ‘n beter plek kan wees om langdurige debatte en gesprekke tussen lesers te voer.

Die forum hou onder andere die volgende voordele in:

  1. Die kategorieë, onderwerpe, ens., bly permanent beskikbaar en sigbaar sodat u nie vir ‘n artikel wat moontlik weke of maande gelede verskyn het hoef te gaan soek om u kommentaar of reaksie daarop te lees nie.
  2. U bydrae en die inhoud wat u skep, is vir die hele internet sigbaar (“soekbaar” deur Google, Yahoo, Bing, ens.). Een van die nadele van die Disqus-kommentaarstelsel is dat kommentaar nie op Google se indekse verskyn nie.
  3. U bydrae sal op ‘n meer permanente basis op die forum gepubliseer bly sodat mense in die toekoms dit eintlik oor en oor sal lees, soos wat hulle deur die forum snuffel.

Lesers en deelnemers is natuurlik welkom om kommentaar wat hulle reeds onderaan artikels op Disqus gelewer het, ook op die forum onder bepaalde onderwerpe te plak, waar Google en ander soekenjins dit kan “raaksien” en kan opneem.

Binnekort sal ons poog om die forum beter met die webwerf te integreer sodat u met een gebruikersnaam en wagwoord op albei tegelyk kan inteken. Heel moontlik sal dit bloot as ‘n onderafdeling van die webwerf self kan funksioneer, afhangend van al die tegniese uitdagings wat ons teëkom. Tot dan sal u egter van nuuts af aan op die forum moet registreer en deur die administrateur gemagtig moet word (‘n anti-gemorsposmaatreël) alvorens u vrylik bydraes kan plaas.

Daar is reeds 130 gebruikers by die forum geregistreer, dus behoort dit vinnige momentum te kry indien ‘n gedeelte van die uitvoerige gesprekke wat tans op die Disqus-kommentaarfunksie plaasvind, na die forum verskuif.

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26 responses to “PRAAG-geselsforum beskikbaar vir uitgebreide debatte”

  1. Matt Heyns Avatar
    Matt Heyns

    De Klerk het destyds op ‘n vraag in die
    Washington Times gesê onder ‘n stelsel van magsdeling sal SA nie langer kan
    bekostig om soveel mag in een man se hande gekonsentreerd te hê as wat die
    grondwet wat toe van toepassing was toegelaat het nie. Hy het ook aan George Bush
    bevestig daar sal genoeg wigte en teen wigte wees om die misbruik van mag tot
    nadeel en onderdrukking van minderhede te verhoed. Sodoende het hy die acute besorgheid
    van veral Afrikaners besweer. Hoe dit ook al sy, die ingryping van
    beskawingsverskille het hierdie pogings verhoed em hom en sy lakeie onverhoeds
    gevang. Die Afrikaner sit vandag met die gebakte pere.

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    Matt Heyns

    1. THE EXODUS ALLEGORY: This famous Jewish myth
    relates the story of Moses leading his people out of captivity in Egypt by
    miraculously parting the Red Sea. There follows 40 years of wandering in the
    wilderness in search of the Promised Land, at the end of which Moses dies. It is
    his successor, Joshua ben Nun, who miraculously parts the river Jordan to lead
    the Jews to the destined homeland. So far so good as this sticks to the
    “literal” understanding of the text that we are familiar with.
    2. It is important to understand right up front that the name “Jesus”
    itself comes from Exodus (Joshua/Jesus makes his first appearance in
    Exodus 17:8). In Greek the Hebrew name “Joshua” becomes “Jesus”. How come most of us are not aware of this fact? Few know this because today it is normal practice to use Joshua for the hero of Exodus and “Jesus” for the hero of the gospels, which avoids any comparison of the two.
    3. In the days of Jesus, however, it would have been completely obvious that they
    shared the same name. In fact if a Gnostic Jew was writing for a Gentile
    audience then he would have written “Jesus” and not
    “Joshua” long before the time of the supposed historical Jesus.This is not a coincidence. Could it be remotely possible that the Christian
    Jesus is a mythic development of the Jesus/Joshua of Exodus? Well that is a very serious question but with our previous study into the importance of “myths” as a vehicle for encoded Divine Truth then let us examine this possibility as best as possible.

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      Matt Heyns

      4. The “Christ” is also linked to the Exodus myth. Paul tells us that, as well as Jesus,
      Moses was also “God’s Christ” (Heb. 11:24-27).Heb 12:24-27 24 And to Jesus the mediator of
      the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things
      than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they
      escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape,
      if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26 Whose voice then shook
      the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the
      earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the
      removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that
      those things which cannot be shaken may remain. (KJV)

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        Matt Heyns

        5. “Christ”, which means “Anointed One”, is a Greek rendering of the Hebrew word “Messiah”, which was an epithet for a leader, used of Jewish kings. Although today the name “Jesus Christ” is inextricably linked to the Literalist figure of the supposed founder of Christianity, in the first century C.E. the name would have been heard as obviously symbolic, meaning “The Saviour King”.Jewish Gnostics, and Christian Gnostics after them, understood Exodus to be an initiation allegory.

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    Matt Heyns

    WebRed: Hoekom mag die deelnemers nie self besluit nie. Die predikante lei lidmate om die bos met blatante leuens en as ek probeer om die aandag daar op te vestig word die bydraes verwyder. Op enige blog word my bedraes aanvaar maar Praag is bang. Der duisende lidmate het al gevlug en nog duisende volg in hulle voetstappe want my projek ‘VLUG’ werk soos klok slag!

    1. Matt Heyns Avatar
      Matt Heyns

      WebRed: Professionele etiket verwag ‘n re-aksie!

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    Matt Heyns

    Pastoor Marius Maritz: The reason Christians will not accept their gospel (good news) is in crisis is because they will have to admit publicly that it is all a fantasy based on faith, emotion and feelings. In fact the most illiterate (uneducated) continents in the world are the most religious. Africa and Latin America head the list as they have the least atheists and nonreligious in the world. In other words most Christians are illiterate and therefore unable to logically analyse things. The rest are totally brain washed as a result of the propaganda and indoctrination they have had to endure since childhood when they were illiterate. Most are told if you trust the good news gospel you need blind faith like a child as Jesus told us.

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    Matt Heyns

    1. Die verhouding met die gode was nog altyd een van die mens se oudste bekommernis, en is nog steeds tot op hierdie dag. En terwyl dit regverdig is om te aanvaar die mensdom het sy vordering en voor uitgang in filosofie en wetenskap te dankie aan die antieke Griekeland en die vroegste denkers, is dit ewe regverdig, wanneer dit kom by die ontwikkeling van godsdiens en die evolusie van godsdienstige denke, geloofwaardigheid te gee aan die antieke beskawings van Egipte en Mesopotamië.Trouens, die vroegste oorblyfsels van die menslike geloof in ‘n god, soos ons dit vandag ken, word terug gevoer na die vallei van die Nyl en tussen die Eufraat en Tigris riviere. Ons vind die wortel van ons geloof in ‘n opperste skêpper geskryf in hiërogliewe en spykerskrif op die piramides en papiri van antieke Egipte en op die kleitablette van Sumer … En nie binne die grênse van die Hebreeuse Bybel nie.

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    Matt Heyns

    1. In my approach I turn not to strangers but to those followers of the ‘movement’ whose hearts belong to it and who wish to study it more profoundly.I know fewer people are won over by the written word than by the spoken word and that every great movement on this earth owes its growth to great speakers and not to great writers. Nevertheless, in order to produce more equality and uniformity in the defense of any doctrine, its fundamental principals must be committed to writing.

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    Matt Heyns

    2. In watching the course of political events I was always struck by the active part
    which propaganda played in them. I saw it was an instrument which the Marxist
    Socialists knew how to handle in a masterly way and how to put it to practical uses. Thus, I soon came to realize that the right use of propaganda was an art in itself and this art was practically unknown to our bourgeois parties. The Naspers alone showed certain efficiency in the employment of this instrument and owes much of its success to it. It was during the bush war however, that I had the best chance of estimating the tremendous results which could be obtained by a propagandist system properly carried out.

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    Matt Heyns

    3. I had ample opportunity to learn a practical lesson in this matter for
    unfortunately it was only too well taught us by the enemy. The lack on our side
    was exploited by the enemy in such efficient manner that one could say it showed
    itself as a real work of genius. In that propaganda carried on by the enemy I
    found admirable sources of instruction. The lesson to be learned from this had
    unfortunately no attraction for the geniuses on our side. They were simply
    above all things, too clever to accept any teaching. Anyhow, they did not
    honestly wish to learn anything. Had we any propaganda at all. Alas, I can
    reply only in the negative.

  9. Matt Heyns Avatar
    Matt Heyns

    1. As ‘n mens ‘n bydrae lewer is dit duidelik die Ou Testament mag nie:
    a. atomisties (versie-gewys) uitgelê en verstaan word nie,
    b. aan die hand van vêrs-nommers as reekse teologiese proposisies gesien word nie,
    c. as geïsoleerde aanhalings vir bewysplase (dicta probantia) aangewênd word nie, en
    d. vanweë die aanwênding van ongepaste dogmaties-hermeneutiese sleutels van sy eie betekenis gestroop word nie.
    2. Maar die woord Bybel is die naam van die klein dogter van Apollo…die son god. Haar ander naam is Venus. In other words the most precious heritage of the Church of the Christians (the Scriptures) became clothed with a cover on which is a name derived from the grand-daughter of the sun deity Apollo namely Byble/Venus.
    3. Daar is baie gode/here. Watter god is hier ter sprake. Sy/haar naam en titel sal baie help om hom/haar te identifiseer.
    4. Van vroegste tye af het die mens na ‘n god gehunker. Die mens het self gemaakte gode vereer al was dit op ‘n naïwe en eenvoudige manier. Godsdiens is deel van die mens se lewe maar wat is hierdie wonderlike geestelike gewaarwording wat die mense deur eeue geïnspireer het, bemoedig het en van hulle grootste wanhoop en angs onderskraag het.
    5. Is dit ondênkbaar ‘n godlose beskawing sal lank kan oorleef. Net die “gedagte” hou baie mense uit die slaap uit.

  10. Matt Heyns Avatar
    Matt Heyns

    As you are beginning to see “the Christ” written of by
    Paul in his authentic and earliest epistles was not a human Christ in the form
    of a human Jesus. Rather “the Christ” was the embodiment of the
    Divine come to tabernacle within mankind and bridges the gap from the Spirit
    realm to the realm of physical existence. This Logos and “the Christ”
    was an intermediary in non-human form that connects mankind to God. Coming to
    the understanding of the self-knowledge that God dwelt within you was explained
    to initiates who were coming to this understanding through an allegory based
    upon the Exodus of history. The “literal” history of Israel was
    expressed as an “allegory” and applied to a higher salvation
    experience in those coming to the knowledge of God in centuries before and
    after the first century. The old man of fleshly lusts was dying when coming to
    this “Gnosis” and being resurrected as a “new man” with a
    new spiritual revelation of God within and the purpose for one’s existence
    above a life of sin. Through the “myth” of the dying-resurrecting Godman, which
    was at this time ONLY UNDERSTOOD ALLEGORICALLY, one was to identify with the
    “pattern” of salvation in the Old Testament as lived out in his life. This plan of salvation was, for the earliest
    Christians, coming to the understanding that through baptism (being born
    again), repentance (death of self and flesh) and resurrection (living with a
    new awareness and surrender to the will of the Christ within) was one achieving
    the New Testament salvation.

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    Matt Heyns

    n Wyse, soms emosionele, maar altyd
    eerlike en liefdevolle oupa seg jy. As hy nie die terroriste met moord en roof
    vry gespreek het (lieg en bedrieg sage) nie, sou ek aan jou stelling begin dink
    het. Intussen is my antwoord 100% negatief. Jou hele Naspers onderkleed sleep
    op die dek. If you think that history is all about the past … you’d better
    think again.If you think the stories the Hebrew Bible had told about ancient
    Egypt was the whole truth … you’d better think once again.And if you Believe
    that ancient Egypt was ruled by pharaohs … then you’d better read the next
    lines.

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    Matt Heyns

    Par 2 oor Egipte se konings. The title might sound a bit strange and perplexing, but throughout the following lines I’m going to elaborate on the historical reasons why the rulers of ancient Egypt were called kings and not Pharaohs. And by straightening out this bizarre issue, the Israelite connection will eventually be exposed.

    1. Riempies Avatar
      Riempies

      Matt – sommer hier van die skuiskant af in – ek het ook eendag n stuk op die internet erens gelees dat wesens met langkoppe (wat die rede was vir die lang hooftooisels) uit die buitenste ruim Egipte regeer het en die piramides gebou het wie se presiese wiskundige berekenings vandag nog nie
      begryp kan word nie.

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    Matt Heyns

    3. Kings or pharaohs, what difference does it make?” some might argue.Well, it would make a world of difference if we discovered that, for thousands of years, we have been living a myth that we continue to cling to and hold dear as the only irrefutable truth till this very day.
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    4. It would make a world of difference if we knew that what took place at that remote period of time in the ancient Near East, particularly in ancient Egypt, has dramatically shaped, over the centuries and through our willful ignorance, the way we live today with all this web of political, ethnic and religious conflict and intolerance, and that only by unraveling the truth and exposing the myths of that past could we untangle this web of antagonism and belligerence we currently endure.

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    Matt Heyns

    5. Egypt, a nation known worldwide as the land of the pharaohs, is so embedded in history you can trace back its culture, spirituality and traditions for thousands of years way long before the world crossed the threshold of civilization; when ancient Egypt was building the great pyramids under a powerful, highly organized central government the world was still crawling out of its prehistoric ages.
    6. The thing that makes the ancient Egyptian kingdom stand out as a unique civilization in the ancient world history, besides the magnificent legacy of colossal wonders of masonry and engineering and the highly religious texts and moral teachings is the fact that the ancient Egyptians kept a solid and coherent documentation of their chronicles that covered the geo-political, socio-economic, military records and even covered the daily life activities in a way that left not much room for second guessing or speculation.

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    Matt Heyns

    7. With the demise of ancient Egypt, the language of that civilization – hieroglyphs – that kept intact and thriving for well over three millennium was eventually declared extinct following the Ptolemaic and Roman period (332 BC- 395 AD) After that, the ancient Egyptian monuments and texts had been shrouded in sheer silence and neglect and the once great civilization that witnessed the first dawn of human conscience and helped to shape the human code of moral conduct turned into oblivion. For the following 1500 years too many narratives and stories had been spawned seemingly trying to retell the story of ancient Egypt, not as it actually occurred but through interpretations and perspectives that somehow served the interests of the story tellers.

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    Matt Heyns

    8. Most of the scholars of the history of the ancient Near East for nearly two millennium relied primarily on the Bible as a scientific reference and in doing so they simply followed what the Hebrew scribes wrote, or better yet tampered with in the history of ancient Egypt and blindly took it for granted. Scholars of the Biblical ancient history of the Near East and in the absence of the technology of modern archaeology, and instead of excavating the earth and digging out the hidden truth, they simply re-sketched the landscape and chronicles of that remote period of time following whatever signs they encountered within the confines of the Bible pages. This is how the world got to recognize Egypt as the land, according to the Hebrew’s alleged narrative, where pharaohs brutally reigned and enslaved the ancient Hebrews and also as the land that witnessed the alleged devastating ten plagues, the parting of the sea and the apical exodus of the Israelis from Egypt. So whenever Egypt was mentioned during the last two thousands of years, the word pharaoh would simultaneously pop up in the discourse thus adding more deluding power to the Hebrew and Biblical designation of the rulers of ancient Egypt as pharaohs.

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    Matt Heyns

    9. It was not before 1822 when Jean-Francois Champollion, the French philologist managed to decipher the hieroglyphs in his arduous task and breakthrough of translating the Rosetta stone.Thanks to this brilliant Champollion, the long muted and almost buried under the earth ancient Egypt with treasures of enormous records and chronicles inscribed on the stone and written on papyrus scrolls were resurrected and finally brought back to life. And what the predecessors thought of as mute masonry covered with some weird scribbling s and coffins haunted with some kind of eternal curse began to attract eager historians and modern archaeologists who, upon dusting off the ancient artifacts and temple reliefs and inscriptions, and on reading the Egyptian texts they, and for the first time, began to listen to the stone and the papyri uttering the truth about the genuine story of ancient Egypt. In the mid-nineteenth century the genuine version of the history of ancient Egypt and the Near East was beginning to unravel as its true stories were being retold again.

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    Matt Heyns

    10. Ironically enough, what the excavated records of ancient Egypt told the modern historians and archaeologists was totally different from what the Hebrew narrative said. But what struck historians as a total surprise is the fact that ancient Egyptian records had no mention of any Israelis in Egypt, non whatsoever, while the Hebrew Bible is replete with tales of Egypt, and the more of ancient Egypt texts and inscriptions were deciphered, the remoter from truth the Biblical narrative looked. Interestingly, and as the historical findings and the non- stop archaeological discoveries were in the process of resurrecting the true story of ancient Egypt the Biblical narrative kept on decomposing subjecting some of the dominant Israelite stories, like the exodus, to demolition after it had been scientifically refuted by prominent modern archaeologists, many of whom are Israelis and who among other Canadian and American Gynecologists now view the story of the Israelis exodus as a mere myth or one of the ancient Israelite’s tales that had been somehow magnified, stretched out and skillfully embroidered by the gifted Hebrew scribes of the Bible over the years.

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    Matt Heyns

    11. If we went back in time and tried to find how the word “Pharaoh” claimed that worldwide popularity and recognition, we would undoubtedly have to stop before the Hebrew landmark story of the exodus from Egypt, the tale of Moses, where he and his people fled the Egyptian kingdom while being hunted down by the army of an alleged tyrant referred to as Pharaoh. Was pharaoh the name of the Egyptian king, or was it his title or his epithet, that is one thing the Bible had not been clear about. But while such nuance could be appreciated in fictional works, it could never fit into a scientific historical account. Tracing the etymology and the historicity of that word “Pharaoh” and for an avid reader and researcher of Egyptology who spends almost all of his weekends at the Egyptian museum in Cairo, I stumbled upon the most astonishing discovery. I did not discover a new royal mummy nor found the lost tomb of king Akhenaten, I simply found out, contrary to what everybody believed that the history and the chronicles of ancient Egypt had no mention of pharaohs. History shows that ancient Egypt only knew kings and sometimes queens but never pharaohs nor any mention of enslavement of Israelis, as a matter of fact; slavery was not a common practice in ancient Egypt and it was introduced into the late dynasties of ancient Egypt only after the Persian and the Roman conquest.

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    Matt Heyns

    12. The old kingdom (2686-2181 BC) knew kings such as Djoser, Khufu and Teti , the middle kingdom ( 2055-1650 BC) had kings such as Senusret I and Senusret II and the new kingdom ( 1550-1069 BC) witnessed the topnotch kings such as Thutmose III, queen Hatshepsut, Akhenaten, Tutankhamun and Usermaatre Setpenre ( Ramsses II ) Egyptian kings typically had five names, a Personal name (nomen) which was bestowed upon them at birth and another four names- Horus name, Nebty (two ladies) name, Horus of Gold, Throne name (praenomen),that were not given until they took the throne. The final four names were bestowed upon the king to officially commemorate his transformation from a mortal to a deity. The birth name of the king seems to have remained very prominent in the king’s life. It was the birth name that was primarily used in the car-touche and the name by which the king was most commonly known.

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    Matt Heyns

    13. The kings’ throne name usually had strong connotations of sovereignty over the upper and lower Egypt and divine relation to the gods Amen or Re. the coronation name inside a car touche was usually accompanied with the title nesu-bity, “King of Upper and Lower Egypt” and the epithet neb tawy,“Lord of the Two Lands”, referring to upper Egypt and delta regions of Egypt. For example, king Tutankhamun’s throne name was Tutenkh Amen, which meant the living image of Amen accompanied by the epithet “lord of the two lands” followed by the customary benediction line “life, prosperity and health” According to the ancient texts and papyri, high ranking officials like high priests, princes, commanders of the army… etc, addressed the king as the ruler of the crowns, beloved of the gods, lord of the diadems, living forever and forever… but never as Pharaoh. Not so often kings of ancient Egypt were referred to as the magnificent in earth and heaven, lord of crowns and as “the sun in the sky” and this was the ultimate titulary that reflected the ascension of the king to the realm of deities. Etymology shows that the word pharaoh is the Greek pronunciation of the compound word ” pe-ro” or “pr –aa” which referred to the palace of the king or rather the great house and not necessarily the king himself.

    Some argue that during the eighteenth dynasty (sixteenth to fourteenth centuries BC) the title pharaoh was employed as a reverential designation of the ruler as is the case in a letter to Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten), who reigned 1353 – 1336 BC, which is addressed to ‘Pharaoh, all life, prosperity, and health!.

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