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Die uitspraak van die Johannesburgse Hooggeregshof ten gunste van die ateïstiese organisasie OGOD dat openbare skole in Johannesburg nie meer enige Christelike inhoud aan leerlinge mag kommuninkeer nie, waaronder opening met skriflesing en gebed, het gister saamgeval met die kraak van die departement van onderwys se webwerf deur ‘n pro-Islamitiese groep. Die webblad van die onderwysdepartement is gister verwyder en blykbaar word die voorval deur die departement van inligting en tegnologie ondersoek.

Die boodskap van die groep krakers wat die Islamitiese Staat ondersteun (sien meegaande skermafdruk) is:

Boodskap aan die regering, die Amerikaanse nasie en die res van die wêreld:

Is dit die menslikheid waarop julle jul roem, of is lewe nie ter sake vir Moslems nie? Moenie dink dat dié optrede teen Moslems by julle sal verbygaan nie en ons sal nie vergeet wat julle die Arabiese volkere en die Moslems regoor die wêreld aangedoen het nie.

Daar bestaan ‘n duidelike verband tussen die “oorwinning” oor veral Afrikaanse staatskole met ‘n Westerse, Christelike identiteit in die hof gister en die kraak van die onderwysdepartement se webblad. Immers beheer die Suid-Afrikaanse departement van basiese onderwys die openbare in die skole in die land wat deur die hofuitspraak geraak word.

Marxiste, ateïste en christenhaters het op Twitter en ander sosiale media gekraai oor die hofuitspraak teen die christelike geloof in Suid-Afrika.

‘n Dosent aan die Universiteit van Kaapstad, Jacques Rousseau, het op sy webblad geskryf:

In theory, then, the days of a school promoting themselves as having a “Christian character” should be over, with countless schools across the country now having to edit brochures, websites, and even coats of arms.

Soos in Moslemlande, mag die vertoon van Christelike simboliek soos ‘n kruis, voortaan in Suid-Afrikaanse skole verbode wees, asook afbeeldings van vlae van Westerse lande met ‘n kruis soos byvoorbeeld, Swede, Denemarke, Noorweë of Switserland.

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109 responses to “Moslems en ateïste begin nuwe veldtog teen Christendom in Suid-Afrika”

  1. Johann Schutte Avatar
    Johann Schutte

    Waarskynlik `n goeie ding. Die christelike dogma het dermate vervorm dat dit Islamisering van die weste promoveer. Die huidige Christene is so oorweldig met naasteliefde en selfvernedering (selfs tot op die vlak van voetwassery onder die vyand), dat die kinders beter af is sonder die klomp dweperige en self-verheerlikende slapgatte se ‘blye boodskap’.

    1. Ou Transvaal Avatar
      Ou Transvaal

      Ondervinding het geleer dat die sogenaamde Christen onderwys nie verwysend is na die navolg van die Bybel nie maar veel eerder ‘n uitdrukking van spesifieke dogmatiese opvattinge wat deur die onderwysers gedryf word namens hulle eie Kerk genootskappe , die geval van behoed ‘n Dopper in ‘n NGK skool en almal haat eendersyds die Charismaat . Die growwe aannames wat Christene maak dat as jy blank is ,is jy automaties ‘n Christen – opvatting veroorsaak ook onnodige rekmerke. As die Kerke wil eerlik wees , moet hulle erken dat skole as werwingsplek gebruik word om toekomstige lidmate te kweek ,,gaan kyk na die NGK se sinodeverslag oor Kerkherlewing en die jeug van die vorige drie jaar en dan staan die oogmerke op skrif ..

      1. sussie se vissie Avatar
        sussie se vissie

        ‘Mindset’ van n junior Rapportryers kweekskool ??

      2. Johann Schutte Avatar
        Johann Schutte

        Die Christene het God vervang met Big Brother, die nuwe dekaloog is die bill of rights, en die skrif is nou political correctness.

    2. Vicky Avatar
      Vicky

      Dankie tog iemand is wakker.

    3. Kalium_Chloraat Avatar
      Kalium_Chloraat

      “Huidige Christene” ‘n gruwelike veralgemening.

      1. Johann Schutte Avatar
        Johann Schutte

        Waar is die sogenaamde Christene wat hulle bekke oopmaak oor die boosheid wat tans as christelik beskou word? Hulle is so tjoepstil soos die meerderheid Moslems oor terreur.

        Dis nie `n veralgemening nie. Die modale Christen is wat hy is, en dis daar vir almal om te sien. Maar jy is reg: Dis GRUWELIK.

        1. Kalium_Chloraat Avatar
          Kalium_Chloraat

          Bekke, Johan? Christene maak wel hul monde oop, die media publiseer dit net nie. Ek sien ook jou “huidige Christene” het nou “Modale Christen” geword.

  2. Jared van Niekerk Avatar
    Jared van Niekerk

    Hans Pietersen, die kranksinnige fundamentalis, het openlik oorlog teen alle Christelike skole verklaar, en spog dat hy almal gaan aanvat.

    Alhoewel die ding se kop duidelik raas, is selfs hy nie mal of mans genoeg om Moslemskole ook te wil teiken nie. Ek hoop eintlik hy wil. Sou graag ‘n onthoofdingsvideo wou sien waar Pietersen se mal kop van sy liggaam geskei word.

    1. Suidpunt Avatar
      Suidpunt

      Ek dink nie hy gaan baie ver kom nie. Ek vermoed die Moslem- en Joodse skole is privaatinstellings. Geen haan sal dan daarna kraai nie.

      1. LAWRENCE FOX Avatar
        LAWRENCE FOX

        Presies. Privaatskole mag doen wat hulle wil. Christenouers moet nou maar hul eie skole stig, of hul charismatiese kinders in DSG en Katolieke skole sit, en onderneem dat die kinders of as Anglikane of Katolieke grootgemaak word. Gaan dit aanvaarbaar wees?

    2. Walter Muller Avatar
      Walter Muller

      Hans Petersen het nie net die Christen geloof aangevat nie, maar alle gelowe, as jy sy klag staat sal lees sal jy merk dat hy vra dat geen geloof bevoordeel mag word bo ander nie. Jy sal ook merk dat hy gevra het dat gelowe as vak bespreek kan word maar nie as geloof aangebied mag word nie. Dit beteken dat kinders kan leer oor die geskiedenis van alle gelowe met die opset om ander skoliere te “respekteer” vir wat hulle is, en dit sal beslis help om ‘n meer verdraagsame samelewing te bou.

    3. Tieneke Khan Avatar
      Tieneke Khan

      Jared, hoekom raak jy persoonlik? Of kan jy net vuil baklei? Die uitspraak is teen alle STAATS SKOLE. In ju privaat skole kan jy jou kindertjies enige stront leer. Daar is GEEN Moslem staat skole nie! Hulle is almal privaat.

      1. frikkie5000 Avatar
        frikkie5000

        Moet hulle nie deurmekaar maak met feite nie. Hulle is dom en hardkoppig.

    4. Mad Hatter Avatar
      Mad Hatter

      You are a perfect example of why I am delighted about the ruling. I do
      not want my children to be exposed the likes of you who use Christianity
      to spread hatred the way you just did. That last sentence is utterly
      despicable.

  3. Suidpunt Avatar
    Suidpunt

    Dit verbaas my hoe min mense hul Europese geskiedenis ken. En die gekraai op Twitter is maar net nog ‘n bewys daarvan. België, Frankryk en Holland het jare, eeue lank sedert die Franse Revolusie nou al Christen- en Kerkskole wat die sekulêre staatskole opponeer . Hier is nou ‘n gulde geleentheid om privaatskole op ‘n streep oop te maak. En kwaliteitonderrig te handhaaf waartoe die middelmatige staatskole nie in staat is nie.

    1. Anne Avatar
      Anne

      Dan gaan daar moet Dopper privaatskole, NG privaatskole, 40 verskillende tipes Charismatiese privaatskole, APK privaatskole, en talle ander moet wees om weereens te sorg dat sommige kinders nie afgekraak en uitgesluit word a.g.v. hul “soort” Christenskap nie. En dan, waar gaan hierdie skole gebou word? Aangesien daar nie plek is in elke medium-grootte dorp vir ‘n ekstra 10 of so skole nie, moet die kerke dan maar as skoolgeboue dien gedurende die week.

      1. Suidpunt Avatar
        Suidpunt

        Soos ek sê: hierdie probleem is wérklik niks nuuts nie. Die versuiling (verzuiling) in Nederland in die 1800’s tot 1900’s was nog veel erger: sosialis, liberalis, protestant (ook Lutherane), calviniste, katoliek en humanis kon mekaar nie een verduur nie en het slegs hul eie skole, universiteite en winkels geskep en ondersteun. En hierdie skole staan vandag nog, hoewel in die 1960’s die “kerkleiers” nader aan mekaar beweeg het om tot ‘n vergelyk te kom. Dit natuurlik na afloop van die Tweede Wêreldoorlog, waar die kerke tevore nie ‘n vinger verroer het nie. In daardie konteks moet mens dit sien. Juis om laasgenoemde rede staan die kerke leeg, nie soseer oor dogma nie, maar oor kruiperigheid, skynheiligheid en onvermoë om moderne probleme op te los.

        Moet ek jou daaraan herinner hoe klein Nederland is? Waar daar ‘n wil is, is daar ‘n weg. In my kontrei is daar skole wat 15 kilometer buitekant die dorp is.

  4. Ou Transvaal Avatar
    Ou Transvaal

    Dit is my beskeie observasie dat daar in die meeste Atieste se verlede ‘n oningeligte Dogmasmous was , wat die persoon verwilder het van sy regmatige plek in die Skepping …
    Om die moslems saam hierdie aksie in te wil sleep grens aan Fopnuus aangesien hierdie saak se aanloop jare terug strek .
    Ons moet kennis neem dat daar ‘n al hoe groter wordende groep Volksgenote is wat niks met KERKE tedoen wil he nie maar wat die Skrif self bestudeer en navors met uitstekende resultate !! Hierdie mense staan onder ‘n verskeidenheid name bekend en kan ook meestal uitbrei oor die boelie taktiek van die Ekumenise bullebakke . Hierdie mense laat ook nie toe dat hulle kinders deur ander in die Bybel onderrig word nie . Dit is mense wat deur die instellings verwerp is as ketters terwyl ketter juis die navolgers van die Waarheid is ..ironies??
    Ek steun nie die OGOD beweging of enige Kerk nie .
    Gaan uit haar uit my Volk!!!

    1. Johann Schutte Avatar
      Johann Schutte

      100%. Ek word gereeld deur christene as christen gediskwalifiseer omdat ek nie die naasteliefde gebod soos hulle interpreteer nie.

      1. Ou Transvaal Avatar
        Ou Transvaal

        Kolskoot!!

  5. Mattewis Kat Avatar
    Mattewis Kat

    Ons betaal 95% van ons skole se jaarlikse bedryfsbegrotings en 55% van die onderwysers-salarisse, natuurlik die gedeelte wat met na-belaste geld in skoolfonds & ander insamelings betaal word. Dus sal ons voortaan eis dat 95% van die perseel beskikbaar is vir Christelike byeenkomste, en dat die onderwysers wat vanaf ons vergoeding ontvang voortgaan met die aanbieding van Chistelike inhoud.

    1. Walter Muller Avatar
      Walter Muller

      Duidelik verstaan jy nie die uitspraak van die hof bevel nie. Die uitspraak lees dat geen geloof bevoordeel mag word nie, ongeag hoeveel geld wie ookal bydrae nie. As jy nie ‘n kerk het nie, vat dan jou skool bydrae en gaan bou een sodat jy sondae daar kan spandeer met jou eie kinders en mense wat soos jy voel.

  6. Dawie Barnard Avatar
    Dawie Barnard

    Ateiste is almal “closet” moslems. Al ooit ‘n ateïs gesien wat Islam aanval? Veels geluk mense, Christendom uit- vakuum- Islam in. Presies wat Hans Pietersen en sy gespuis wou hê.

    1. Vicky Avatar
      Vicky

      En Christene is almal “closet” Jode.

      1. Dawie Barnard Avatar
        Dawie Barnard

        Ai hoe ontmasker ons die moslems so een vir een.

      2. Jacques Avatar
        Jacques

        Ai tog Vicki….

      3. Hans Onrust Avatar
        Hans Onrust

        Buenos Dias a Todos.

        Hier nogmaals een afbeelding van het graf van wereldkampioen schaken Bobby Fischer in IJsland.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a1bf580c789193432b125be90db6b8cc0daf29f60d5175bc26efb35616c515c.jpg

    2. Tieneke Khan Avatar
      Tieneke Khan

      Rerig? Ateis beteken ek glo dat enige en alle godde nie bestaan nie. Catch a wake up.

      1. Johann Schutte Avatar
        Johann Schutte

        Ja. Maar hulle is gelowig. Bv. In die begin was daar niks, wat ontplof het, en hier is ons nou almal.

        1. LogicDictates Avatar
          LogicDictates

          Your understanding of the “ontploffing” is obviously quite basic and rudimentary..
          The “blackness” you see at night.. Is called the fabric of the cosmos…. Friction, rotation and wear is what caused the “bang”…
          Yip… Its just a theory… Yet that theory incorporates directly to the evolutionary process that followed… From a single cell organism… That adapts… And continues to do so…
          And that process took millions of years….
          You should check out a museum.. It will shock you..

          I makes more sense than mixing humans and reptiles the size of a double decker bus…. Only six days apart?
          Mmmm yeah.. That makes sense!!!
          Oh and.. We theorize the ‘bang’… Yet where did your cloud man come from?.
          Was it POOF. . here i am?

          1. Johann Schutte Avatar
            Johann Schutte

            You cannot make any logical conclusions on my religious beliefs, because I have not posited a position on the matter. The position of the realistic scientist as to where it all comes from, should be agnostic, but I fear you’ve not developed far enough intellectually to understand what I mean by that.

            Having said that, the big bang theory, which I have a reasonable knowledge of, does not qualify to be a theory, or at least not, when applying scientific criteria. It’s at most a hypothesis.

            As to evolution. what do you mean by that? There are many different evolutionary theories. Please explain, or are you just throwing terminology around. As to my own opinion on this, let me be clear, as i have been in the past: There cannot be any doubt that evolution of a certain kind is a reality, and that it occurs measurably.

          2. Republican Avatar
            Republican

            “ontploffing” – basic indeed.

      2. Dawie Barnard Avatar
        Dawie Barnard

        Maar julle het nooit die dapperheid of integriteit om Islam aan te vat nie, julle fokus al julle patetiese ou pogintjies op Christene. Verduidelik dit asb. Ook, deur net die Christendom aan te val, bevorder julle Islam indirek. Maar dit is te moeilik om uit ‘n oogpunt van haat die konneksie te maak. Jy is die een wat wakker moet word.

        1. Republican Avatar
          Republican

          Dawie weereens, gaan kyk hoe ateiste ook Moslems aanval en met hulle redeneer.

      3. Dawie Barnard Avatar
        Dawie Barnard

        O ja, ek het ‘n woordeboek, liberale en ateïste deel een vieslike gewoonte, hulle moet altyd mense teregwys uit ‘n posisie van meerderwaardigheid.

        1. LogicDictates Avatar
          LogicDictates

          Actually… We rely on logic to look forward. We are free thinking individuals.
          We rely on science and facts…

          The bible directly contradicts itself more than a Juluis Malema speech.

        2. Mad Hatter Avatar
          Mad Hatter

          Yeah…and Christians seem to believe that god has outsourced judgment.

    3. LogicDictates Avatar
      LogicDictates

      Closet Muslims…. Wow, … Atheists speak out against ALL religions, all the time. From Scientology, then to your guy… That drives a cloud ( mmmm a cloud is merely condensation but ok).. Lets not address the fact that he was a white boy.. With blue eyes and blonde hair smack bang in the middle east.. 2000 years ago. Haha..
      As for Muslims.. We rip them constantly… Maybe try some different blogs now and then.

    4. Republican Avatar
      Republican

      Ag ons arme ou volk. Glo jy werklik wat jy skryf? Moslems en Christene het nog al baie in gemeen. Gaan soek bietjie rond en kyk hoe ateiste Moslems tromp op loop.

  7. Vicky Avatar
    Vicky

    Natuurlik word JOODSE skole nie hierdeur geraak nie. Oy Vey. Ek is nie n Christen nie, maar miskien kan die verlore skapies nou ons ras se WARE geskiedenis bestudeer, eerder as die ewige agressiewe fabelagtige Sionisme.

    1. Chroom Avatar
      Chroom

      so ook moslim skole, en daar is baie van hulle in die Kaap en Wesrand en Natal.

    2. Tieneke Khan Avatar
      Tieneke Khan

      Dit raak alle STAATS SKOLE. In privaat skole kan jy jou kinders enige stront voer, maar nie op die belasting betalers se sakke nie.

      1. Vicky Avatar
        Vicky

        Natuurlik. Jode woon eksklusief privaatskole by.

    3. LAWRENCE FOX Avatar
      LAWRENCE FOX

      Vicky, waar kinders wat die Joodse geloof beoefen in staatsskole is, val hulle in by die skole se beleid, hulle neem nie oor nie. Christene neem oor in staatsskole. Indien ‘n skool ‘n “joodse skool” is, is dit heelwaarskynlik ‘n privaatskool, en hulle mag maak presies net wat hulle wil.

    4. LogicDictates Avatar
      LogicDictates

      Jewish schools are 99% private institutions…. And are not bound by edu dep regulations. .. Same goes for muslim pvt schools.

  8. Hans Onrust Avatar
    Hans Onrust

    Johannes 15:18-27

    De haat der wereld

    Indien u de wereld haat, zo weet, dat zij Mij eer dan u gehaat heeft.

    Indien gij van de wereld waart, zo zou de wereld het hare liefhebben; doch omdat gij van de wereld niet zijt, maar Ik u uit de wereld heb uitverkoren, daarom haat u de wereld.

    Gedenk des woords, dat Ik u gezegd heb: Een dienstknecht is niet meerder dan zijn heer. Indien zij Mij vervolgd hebben, zij zullen ook u vervolgen; indien zij Mijn woord bewaard hebben, zij zullen ook het uwe bewaren.

    Maar al deze dingen zullen zij doen om Mijns Naams wil, omdat zij Hem niet kennen, Die Mij gezonden heeft.

    Indien Ik niet gekomen ware, en tot hen gesproken had, zij hadden geen zonde; maar nu hebben zij geen voorwendsel voor hun zonde.

    Die Mij haat, die haat ook Mijn Vader.

    Indien Ik de werken onder hen niet had gedaan, die niemand anders gedaan heeft, zij hadden geen zonde; maar nu hebben zij ze gezien, en beiden Mij en Mijn Vader gehaat.

    Maar dit geschiedt, opdat het woord vervuld worde, dat in hun wet geschreven is: Zij hebben mij zonder oorzaak gehaat.

    Maar wanneer de Trooster zal gekomen zijn, Dien Ik u zenden zal van den Vader, namelijk de Geest der waarheid, Die van den Vader uitgaat, Die zal van Mij getuigen.

    En gij zult ook getuigen, want gij zijt van den beginne met Mij geweest.

    Mattheüs 5:10-12

    10 Gelukkig zijn de mensen die vervolgd worden omdat zij Gods wil doen, want het Koninkrijk van de hemelen is voor hen.

    11 Gelukkig bent u als u beledigingen, vervolgingen, leugens en laster te verdragen krijgt omdat u bij Mij hoort.

    12 Juich van blijdschap, want in de hemel ligt een geweldige beloning voor u klaar. Vroeger zijn de profeten immers ook zo vervolgd.

  9. Bazil Johnson Avatar
    Bazil Johnson

    It justs seems so strange that most of the people making comments in social media regarding the court judgement have no idea what the true nature of the court case was. As a school teacher most teachers are totally ignorant about how indoctrination works and or how it manipulates young minds. We as a nation are complaining about how education is failing our nation, well folks one of the primary problems we have in schools is that religion does not promote open critical debate. It is this reason why I support organisations like OGOD who want schools as places of education and not places of indoctrination of especially young minds. May all religion fall away and reason and the quest for knowledge prevail.

    1. Johann Schutte Avatar
      Johann Schutte

      Anything that has been around as long as religion has, is sure have an evolutionary function. If it wasn’t a viable strategy for- or significant contributor to -the survival of the species, it would have disappeared a long time ago. I think that the average bloke (or gal) is far more likely to behave him/herself whilst under threat of eternal damnation, and you can actually see the consequences of removal of this very powerful force in western communities – you just cannot appoint enough policemen to keep the peace and maintain order when religion decreases in influence.

      I am no church goer as I saw through the hypocrisy many years ago, but I don’t need it, because I have a compelling internal moral frame of reference, which unfortunately for most people has to be externally imposed to get them to behave themselves. For this reason I am very much in favour of the religious activity and instruction.

      Unfortunately the content has slowly moved towards replacing God with Big Brother, the commandments with the Bill of rights, and scripture with ubiquitous political nonsense such as egalitarianism and multiculturalism.

      My point is that we NEED the vast majority to be indoctrinated, but in a way that actually contributes to peace and stability. Those that don’t need this type of control will inevitably discard it.

    2. Erhardt Avatar
      Erhardt

      Bazil, if you reject the God of the Bible you’ll end up with absurdity.

      1. frikkie5000 Avatar
        frikkie5000

        Quite the opposite, if you believe that a magic man in the sky is real then you are absurd.

        1. Erhardt Avatar
          Erhardt

          Oky Frikkie, what do you believe in then?

          1. Rifrug Avatar
            Rifrug

            Jy hét hom … en ek dink hy weet dit. Dit is hoekom hy jou nie antwoord nie!

          2. Raymond Lautenbach Avatar
            Raymond Lautenbach

            Replying to stupidity is a very onerous. Just think as some once said “if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.”

          3. Guest Avatar
            Guest

            Reason is based on belief

          4. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            ?
            …like I said – if you reject the God of the Bible you’ll end up with absurdity.

          5. LogicDictates Avatar
            LogicDictates

            That is not an argument.. That is an empty opinion… Repeating it, is kinda useless … As it is baseless

            Absurd… Is thinking a bush can magically spout flames…. And… And… TALK !!!

            Really…. Mmmmm

          6. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            Logic dictates that should you ever come across such a bush you should take off your shoes and confess that Jesus is the Son of God 🙂

            Pleas LD, use your logic. Just think of how wonderfully complex your vascular system is. If the science of today be true then explain to me what evolved first, your heart or your blood or your lungs? What would your heart be pumping without blood? How would your blood be circulating with out your heart? How would your blood get oxygen without your lungs?
            (Very simple I know, but it makes the point)

            If you can just keep on reasoning your logic will convince you that Jesus is Truth and Grace.

          7. LogicDictates Avatar
            LogicDictates

            Haha… Hilarious… The bible is so factually flawed….

          8. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            Yup, and logic dictates that for you to make such a statement you must have done a lot off “Scientific proving”
            Or are you just believing what other men have “Scientifically proven”?

          9. LogicDictates Avatar
            LogicDictates

            Haha. Good argument.
            Firstly…. Yes… When a whole bunch of independent scientists… 100 years apart…. All frown…. You tend to get the picture…

            Yet. . when.. You think about the physically impossible stuff you read about in the bible..

            It kinda seals it

          10. Rifrug Avatar
            Rifrug

            For many people, the belief that the Bible
            contains contradictions and inaccuracies is an excuse for not believing. Many
            such people have not actually read the Bible for themselves. Still fewer have
            analyzed any of the alleged contradictions. It has been my experience that,
            after a little research, all the alleged contradictions and inaccuracies are
            explainable.

            http://defendinginerrancy.com/bible-difficulties/

            If you are prepared to look at the answers (in the link above) with an open
            mind, then you will discover that the excuse of supposed inaccuracies does
            not hold water. If, however, you have already convinced yourself that such an
            old book as the Bible just has to contain errors, then you may as well keep on saying “Haha… Hilarious… The bible is so factually flawed….”

          11. Tieneke Khan Avatar
            Tieneke Khan

            Wrong

          12. Rifrug Avatar
            Rifrug

            “Rerig? Ateis beteken ek glo dat enige en alle godde nie bestaan nie. Catch a wake up.”

            If you want to see “Wrong” just check out your own comment!

            Daar is nie so woord soos “rerig” nie – dit is ‘regtig’!

            “Ateis” is ook verkeerd gespel – dit is ‘Ateïs’.

            “godde” is nie die meervoud van ‘god’ nie – dit is ‘gode’..

            Jy stel jou onkunde ten toon! Die een wat moet wakker word is beslis JY – Tieneke Khan.

          13. Republican Avatar
            Republican

            Nee, ek dink jy moet nie net een definisie gaan soek nie. Soek n bietjie rond dan sal jy sommer ook leer oor die verskillende soorte ateiste.

          14. Raymond Lautenbach Avatar
            Raymond Lautenbach

            Now which version of creation are you talking about? I think you are a little short of fact. Our universe is 13.8 billion years old and the earth 3.8 billion years. Of course being a bible puncher you also not doubt believe that snakes and donkeys can talk? For bedtime stories you may mention dragons, seraphims, behemoths, leviathans and a host of other imaginary creatures.

          15. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            Thanks Raymond, I think Frikkie already insinuated that a biblical worldview is absurd. You’re not adding to this discussion.
            Maybe if you answer the question?

          16. Paul Jay Avatar
            Paul Jay

            Raymond is een van daai Afrikaners wat in ‘n Engelse drolle getrap het nou braak hy heeltyd in die rooi taal. Hys ‘n kommunis en ateïs so los die donner laat hy verswelg in sy eie “slim” waansin. Brokers soos hy soek net heeltyd nog plekke waar hy daai bittere sataniese gal kan uitbraak. Dan sit hy seker met ‘n Thesaurus langs hom om so intelligent en “educated” as moontlik te klink. Ignoreer hom hys niks werd nie. Die kaf gaan bymekaar gemaak word en in die vuur gegooi word. EN WAG TOT HY HIERDIE LEES DAN GAAN HY EERS BRAAK!!!

          17. LogicDictates Avatar
            LogicDictates

            Don’t disrepect that snake man…. It was capable of giving dietary advice as well. Haha.

            Less we forget about the hero whale, that was “blessed” with no stomach acid…. Because he was told someday.. He was going to chow a dude… Then release him..

          18. LogicDictates Avatar
            LogicDictates

            Wow… Six days? Mmmm interesting… So…. Adam and the rib girl…. Along with their talking snake took romantic rides in the garden of eden on a T-Rex? Seeing as they were walking the earth for … Ummmmm MORE THAN SIX DAYS….. ( OH… And the fossils are all carbon dated… Ergo…. Scientifically proven. .
            So…. Your 6 day theory got schooled….factually…

          19. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            Logic dictates that after a question comes an answer. You should try it.

          20. LogicDictates Avatar
            LogicDictates

            Erhardt…. Actually i did answer it..
            Mmm ok.. Pardon my sarcasm in initial post…

            Lets try different wording.
            If you argue that ” he ” created everything in SIX says… Then essentially what you are implying is that the first humans where roaming with the dinosaurs right of the bat?
            Seeing as it ALL was created within six days.

            It… SEEMS unlikely…

            Then… Archeological digs.
            . PROVES it .. As dinosaur fossils are millions of years old.. ( carbon dated testing are on point)..
            Hominids ( the first humans) werent present for a long .. Long time….to come still.

          21. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            Yes it seems unlikely if you believe in the big bang theory or the evolution theory. It is just that those theories are so absurd that I can’t get myself to believe in them.

            I mean …..
            Millions and millions of years…nothing exploded(expanded) in to everything for no reason and with no cause.
            And my grate grate grate grandpa is a rock?
            That is hard to believe!

            I believe that talking snake has been deceiving you.

          22. Republican Avatar
            Republican

            “And my grate grate grate grandpa is a rock?”
            Goeie genugtig dit is nou n vraag wat ek dikwels kry van Christene. Nee, ek persoonlik glo nie in sulke nonsens nie. Dit is inelkgeval nie wat evolusie se nie.
            Buitendien, ek aanvaar evolusie tentatief en met die veronderstelling dat iets beter na vore kan tree volgens die wetenskap. Die probleem is dat die Oerknal asook die wetenskaplike teorie van evolusie teenoor die skepping (kreasionisme) debat inelkgeval gekaap is en n denkfout openbaar. Daar kan ook ander opsies wees soos bv. dat die Christelike God nie verantwoordelik is vir die sg. skepping is nie, maar dat dit verduidelik kan word deur ander opsies.
            Die oerknal teorie is gebasseer wat ons vandag kan sien

          23. Rifrug Avatar
            Rifrug

            Radiocarbon dating, which is used to calculate the age of
            certain organic materials, has been found to be unreliable, and
            sometimes wildly so – a discovery that could upset previous studies …

            http://www.scmp.com/tech/science-research/article/1856329/many-global-warming-studies-may-be-wrong-carbon-dating-found

            All radiometric dating methods are based on assumptions about events
            that happened in the past. If the assumptions are accepted as true (as is typically
            done in the evolutionary dating processes), results can be biased toward
            a desired age. In the reported ages given in textbooks and other journals, these
            evolutionary assumptions have not been questioned, while results inconsistent
            with long ages have been censored. When the assumptions were evaluated
            and shown faulty, the results supported the biblical account of a global
            Flood and young earth. Christians should not be afraid of radiometric dating
            methods. Carbon-14 dating is really the friend of Christians, and it supports
            a young earth.

            https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/doesnt-carbon-14-dating-disprove-the-bible/

          24. Mad Hatter Avatar
            Mad Hatter

            I think you might find this quiz interesting 🙂 http://exchristian.net/3/

          25. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            I got nothing right?

          26. Republican Avatar
            Republican

            Erhardt probeer weer.

          27. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            I did, but still could not score a single point?

            I think this quiz is rigged.
            Just like carbon dating, the answers always seems to “magically” fit what atheists believe.

          28. Mad Hatter Avatar
            Mad Hatter

            Exactly, it didn’t matter which one you picked since both contradicting answers are stated in the Bible. Believe me, even I feel cheated 🙂
            Example:
            When Jesus and his disciples were walking toward Jerusalem after leaving Bethany that night, Jesus saw a fig tree and cursed it for not having figs. Did the tree wither immediately as they stood and watched or did it wither overnight?

            Mark 11:13-22 ” In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!”
            Matthew 21:19-20 “…Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. And when the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!”

            These were just 20 questions and I’m not trying to sway you, but it at least has to make you think.

          29. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            No mate, it is definitely designed to try and sway me away from Jesus! That is the only purpose of your quiz 🙂

            Mark and Matthew are two different individuals, surely there testimonies can’t matchup word for word. Now that would be very suspect!

          30. Mad Hatter Avatar
            Mad Hatter

            Even if they were both present at the same event?

          31. Republican Avatar
            Republican

            Funny indeed, Mad Hatter

        2. Erhardt Avatar
          Erhardt

          Frikkie, Raymond – God loves you guys
          Go check out https://youtu.be/ChWiZ3iXWwM

          1. Republican Avatar
            Republican

            Ray Comfort AKA “banana” man! Already watched this nonsense.

    3. LogicDictates Avatar
      LogicDictates

      Knowledge is power! Not cosmic wizards, that has the same credibility as father xmas. Good point.

  10. Jacques de Villiers Avatar
    Jacques de Villiers

    Net net die Christen geloof nie poephol, ALLE gelowe. Geen enkel geloof mag meer by publieke skole gepropageer word ten koste van ander nie. Niemand mag meer sy eie persoonlike snert op ons kinders afdwing nie, dis al. Heel regverdig so ek sê?

  11. LAWRENCE FOX Avatar
    LAWRENCE FOX

    Is die hoofinduna van Praag, Dan Roodt, dan nie ook ongelowig nie? Ateis gewees in sy jong jare of het hy nou verander om by die “mindset” van sy volgelinge aantepas?

    1. LogicDictates Avatar
      LogicDictates

      Nee… Daai tyd was hy APPARENTLY “ANTI ESTABLISHMENT” … .. So.. Trying to be cool.

  12. Paul Langeveldt Avatar
    Paul Langeveldt

    Dit is hoekom daar geskryf staan ” in die laaste dae sal mense lief hebers van hulle self wees” en Abbavader se qul op sy stoot vir hulle eie gemak.

  13. Paul Langeveldt Avatar
    Paul Langeveldt

    Ek lees deur die komentare?? En dink die was eens op n tyd n trots Gods vresende nasie. Dan wonder almal wat besig is om om ons te gebeur?? Hou op wonder, ek het die antwoord!! Ons doen dit aan ons self.

    1. Mad Hatter Avatar
      Mad Hatter

      If the Christian god is professed to be a god of love, why are his followers called god fearing? And the answer to your question is corrupt government…who will rule until Jesus comes. Ironic, no?

      1. Republican Avatar
        Republican

        I love how Christians want to talk to atheists about morality and ethics considering the Bible.

        1. Mad Hatter Avatar
          Mad Hatter

          I would love to know why they feel so threatened. Surely if they raise their kids according to their faith, their offspring would not suddenly become atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, etc merely because the teacher is not allowed to start the day with prayer and scripture?

      2. Erhardt Avatar
        Erhardt

        “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

        With love like that, what is left to fear but God?

        1. Mad Hatter Avatar
          Mad Hatter

          You’re right, I’ll also fear a father who would have me crucified.

          1. Erhardt Avatar
            Erhardt

            Jesus is God.
            “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1

          2. Mad Hatter Avatar
            Mad Hatter

            Yeah yeah…the Holy Trinity and all. I was in the Bible Olympiad team at school, so I sort of do know the Bible. The quoted verse makes no sense in terms of the question or anything else for that matter. Go in peace, bro.

  14. Johann Schutte Avatar
    Johann Schutte

    Jy praat so goed soos `n pastoor.

    1. sussie se vissie Avatar
      sussie se vissie

      Eet hul ‘magic mushrooms’?

      1. Johann Schutte Avatar
        Johann Schutte

        wacky backy, maryjane, green gunston, rondkyk rothmans

  15. Andrew Craucamp Avatar

    To clarify, i am certainly not a christian hater. One doesn’t hate the sick, only the sickness, and religion is indeed sickness

    1. Johann Schutte Avatar
      Johann Schutte

      What illness is it? And how is it objectively tested for? Are there scans or labtests available to confirm the diagnosis? Is this illness referenced somewhere in a diagnostic classification system?

      1. Mad Hatter Avatar
        Mad Hatter

        In some cases it could classify as mental illness….speaking in tongues, hearing voices, hallucinations.

        1. sussie se vissie Avatar
          sussie se vissie

          About sums it up.
          ANC must be terminal.

    2. Andrew-John Miles Avatar
      Andrew-John Miles

      Why come try and justify your point on this site of all sites, I think a visit to the head doctor is not a bad idee. Jy sien nog nie die probleem in jou wee, wag maar afrikaans is volgende op dieselfde argument van die een leerling wat uitgesluit voel omdat hy xhosa is

      1. Andrew Craucamp Avatar

        My opinion was published in this article without my prior knowledge or consent so cut me some slack

  16. Mad Hatter Avatar
    Mad Hatter

    “…selfs by die blankes”? You are confirming my suspicions that the outcry from the Afrikaans Christian community is mostly about keeping those schools white.

  17. Mad Hatter Avatar
    Mad Hatter

    Do you realise that the court case was NOT about banning religion, attacking Christianity or promoting atheism in schools….and even less to do with Afrikaans? The court case was to determine whether PUBLIC schools
    may place one religion above others and the verdict was a very clear
    NO. And where on earth did you get this warped idea that white Afrikaners are the Chosen Saviours of SA? We have a corrupt GOVERNMENT, but you dimwittedly fell into the trap that Zuma created – racial hatred.

    Jy wil weet wat baat mense vind wat OGOD ondersteun? Ending discrimination and prejudice in schools….at least where religion is concerned. Your nauseating diatribe tells me exactly what kind of person hides behind religion.

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