{"id":10854,"date":"2011-08-07T08:05:04","date_gmt":"2011-08-07T08:05:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/afrikaansenuus.co.za\/?p=10854"},"modified":"2011-08-07T08:05:04","modified_gmt":"2011-08-07T08:05:04","slug":"konstitusionele-hof-oor-selfbeskikking","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praag.co.za\/?p=10854","title":{"rendered":"Konstitusionele  hof oor selfbeskikking"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\" id=\"internal-source-marker_0.846125820671821\">Die  Konstitusionele hof moes in 1996 die finale grondwet sertifiseer  voordat dit in werking kon kom. &nbsp;Die finale Grondwet was voorafgegaan  deur \u2018n tussentydse Grondwet wat die grondwetlike beginsels bevat het en  was die resultaat van die Codesa onderhandelings weeerspie\u00ebl wat in die  finale grondwet neerslag moes vind.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">Die  Konstitusionele hof het \u2018n lang en lywige oorsig van elke artikel in  die Grondwet gelewer om in regsterme te redeneer of die finale artikels  aan daardie beginsels voldoen het. &nbsp;Aanvanklik is die Grondwet weer  terug verwys en sekere verstellings moes gemaak word om aan hul  vereistes te voldoen. Hieronder volg hul beredenering van artikel 235.  &nbsp;&nbsp;(CP XXXIV beteken Constitutional Principle 235 en CA die  Constitutional Assembly, wat die Grondwet moes opstel)<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">Volgens  hul vertolking kleef daar geen stigma aan diegene wat hulle vir \u2018n  volkstaat beywer nie, en word dit as normale regspraktyk beskou dat  gemeenskappe hul selfbeskikking mag opeis.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">Lesers word versoek om hierdie artikel sorgvuldig te bewaar vir ingeval hulle deur duistere magte gekonfronteer sou word.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">\u201cSelf-Determination<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[215]  It was contended that although CP XXXIV does not impose as clear an  obligation on the CA as do other CPs, it establishes an expectation  about the creation of a Volkstaat among a significant number of  Afrikaners which the NT does not realise. The contention was that CP  XXXIV has to be interpreted in the light of agreements and memoranda  produced by the Freedom Front, the ANC and the then South African  Government on the eve of the elections in April 1994. Yet, far from  giving these expectations form, the NT has given nothing concrete in the  form of self-determination, and has in fact made the achievement of  such self-determination much harder in three respects. First,  Parliament would have a discretion as to whether or not to permit a  cultural community to exercise self-determination within a territorial  entity. Second, in terms of IC 184B(3), special  arrangements exist to permit changes to provincial boundaries by a  simple majority so as to create such an entity, whereas under the NT a  constitutional amendment would be required (in order to change NT 103). Third, such  entity would under the NT be subject to the Bill of Rights because NT  235 speaks of self-determination within the framework of the NT, whereas  no such framework qualification exists in CP XXXIV.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[216]  The argument is also based on a misunderstanding of the provisions of  IC 184A. These provisions do not empower the Volkstaat Council or  Parliament to establish a Volkstaat without amending the IC. The idea of  a Volkstaat has to be pursued &#8220;constitutionally&#8221; through  representations to the CA and the Commission on Provincial Government.  IC 184B(3) deals only with boundary changes consequent upon the  establishment of a Volkstaat. The other requirements, namely the  creation of the Volkstaat and the definition of its powers and  functions, can be achieved only through amendments to the IC or through  adoption in the NT, which will require a two-thirds majority in the NA  and the Senate or in the CA.  What IC 184B(3) allows is a reorganisation of boundaries consequent  upon such a decision, without necessarily having the consent of the  province or provinces affected thereby. The provision that national  legislation should determine the matter simply provides the mechanism  for giving legal form to any decision taken in accordance with the  Constitution.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[217] A  related contention was that the right to self-determination, including  the right to secession, is internationally accepted as a right, and thus  should not be subjected to the discretion of Parliament. Thus, if a  dispute reached this Court, it should be decided according to objective  criteria as determined by international law, and not by whether or not  Parliament has passed the requisite legislation.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[218]  In our view the terms of the NT do not sustain the argument that CP  XXXIV has not been complied with. Our task is simply to test the terms  of the NT against the CPs. Whatever subjective hopes any parties might  have had as a result of the insertion of CP XXXIV, its language for  present purposes is clear. Its  basic thrust is that constitutional provision for the notion of the  right to self-determination by any community sharing a common cultural  and language heritage within a territorial entity shall not be  precluded, notwithstanding the fact that South Africa shall be one  sovereign state, as required by CP I. This is clearly a permissive rather than an obligatory provision. The  only mandatory provision in the CP is that if a territorial entity has  in fact been established in terms of the IC before the NT is adopted,  then such entity must be entrenched in the NT. No such entity had in  fact been established, so no obligatory entrenchment had to be made.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[219]  It is not necessary for us to decide whether the NT is obliged to keep  the idea of territorial self-determination alive. The fact is that the  CA chose to do so in terms of NT 235, which ensures that the permissive  door opened by the CP is kept ajar. It is obvious that any arrangements  which could be made to establish a territorial entity and to define its  boundaries will have to be negotiated with an existing government within  the framework of the NT (including the permissive provision). This is  contemplated by CP XXXIV.1 itself, which underlines  the &#8220;recognition therein of the right of the South African people as a  whole to self-determination&#8221; and says that the more limited right to  self-determination of a particular community shall not be precluded  &#8220;within the framework of the said right&#8221;.  Moreover NT 74(1)(b)(ii) and (4) and 103(2), which deal with provincial  boundaries and any changes that may be made to them, are specifically  required by the provisions of CP XVIII.3 and CP XVIII.4. Finally,  it is difficult to interpret CP XXXIV as permitting the denial of the  fundamental human rights of any persons living in such an entity, let  alone requiring the exclusion of the Bill of Rights. The provision that  national legislation shall determine the matter simply provides the  mechanism for giving legal form to any agreement that might be reached.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[220] The broader question has also been answered. This Court functions purely in terms of the IC. Proponents  of a Volkstaat are free to campaign for political and constitutional  changes which would result in the forms of self-determination which they  consider appropriate being brought about and institutionalised. We are, however, bound in our present task by the limits of the 34 CPs, and by them alone. Apart from CP XXXIV, the  only CP dealing with self-determination is CP XII, which requires  certain collective rights of self-determination to be recognised and  protected in the NT.  This has been done in the Bill of Rights through NT 31, which protects  cultural, religious and language communities. A submission by one of the  objectors that the right is not protected because the provision is  framed in negative and not positive terms is without substance.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[221]  It was also contended that the language of CP XXXIV is wide enough to  embrace not only forms of Afrikaner self-determination but  self-determination of traditional authorities as well, thus avoiding any  racial selectivity in the interpretation of the CP. We cannot accept  that contention. In our view CP XXXIV is not intended to entrench the  status of traditional authorities. Their role and status are expressly  dealt with in CP XIII and CP XVII. Their continued existence under IC  181 and NT 212 is not entrenched but is subject to amendment and repeal.  CP XXXIV cannot be relied upon to entrench the existence of traditional  authorities.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">CP XIV: Participation in the Political Process by Minority PartiesCP XIV Participation in the Political Process by Minority Parties<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[222] Decisions in the NCOP are to be taken in terms of NT 65(1), which states:<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">&#8220;Except where the Constitution provides otherwise &#8211;<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<ol>\n<li>\n<ol>\n<li>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">each province has one vote which is cast on behalf of the province by the head of its delegation; and<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">all questions before the National Council of Provinces are agreed when at least five provinces vote in favour of the question.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">Objection was taken to these provisions on the ground that they do not comply with CP XIV which requires that:<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">&#8220;Provision  shall be made for participation of minority political parties in the  legislative process in a manner consistent with democracy.&#8221;<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">It  was contended that the procedures in the NCOP dealing with NT 76  legislation and constitutional amendments do not comply with the  requirements of CP XIV because voting is by province, which means, so  the contention went, that minority parties in provincial delegations do  not have an effective vote.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[223]  The method of voting in the NCOP depends upon the subject matter of the  legislation. In respect of matters dealt with in terms of NT 75, each  delegate has one vote and the question is decided by a majority of  votes. The rules and orders of the NCOP must provide for the  participation of minority parties in such matters in a manner consistent  with democracy. Other matters are decided on the basis that each  province has one vote and at least five provinces must support the  decision. NT 70(2)(b) requires the rules and orders of the NCOP to  provide for the participation of all provinces in its proceedings in a  manner consistent with democracy.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[224]  NT 61(2) requires the allocation of seats in the NCOP to be regulated  by national legislation in a manner which ensures that minority parties  participate in the NCOP in a manner consistent with democracy. This, and  the requirements of NT 70(2)(b) and (c) relating to the participation  of provinces and of minority political parties in the proceedings of the  NCOP in a manner consistent with democracy, give rise to constitutional  obligations which are subject to judicial control. Provision is made  for the full participation of minority political parties in the passing  of legislation in the NA and in the passing of NT 75 bills in the NCOP.  Although voting in the NCOP in respect of other matters is on the basis  of one vote per province, the participation of the provinces in the  proceedings has to take place in a manner consistent with democracy.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[225]  NT 53(1)(a) provides that decisions in the NA are to be taken by a  majority vote unless the Constitution provides otherwise. Larger  majorities are required to overrule vetoes of the NCOP and to amend the  Constitution. NT 57(2)(b) requires the rules and orders of the NA to  provide for<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">&#8220;the  participation in the proceedings of the Assembly, and its committees,  of all minority political parties represented in the Assembly, in a  manner consistent with democracy&#8221;.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[226]  All legislation, including amendments to the Constitution, must be  passed by the NA. The NCOP also has to pass legislation referred to in  NT 76 and certain constitutional amendments referred to in NT 74(1)(b)  and to deal with bills referred to in NT 75. If the NCOP fails to pass a  bill governed by NT 76, its decision can be overridden by a two-thirds  majority of the NA; other bills have to be referred to the NCOP and  dealt with by it in terms of NT 75. If it fails to pass such a bill its  decision can be overridden by a simple majority in the NA.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[227]  Minority political parties participate fully in the legislative process  through their role in the NA. In addition they are represented in the  NCOP and are entitled to participate in its proceedings, which are  required to be conducted in a manner consistent with democracy. The fact  that voting on certain matters is to take place on the basis of one  vote per province is not inconsistent with democracy. Given the purpose  of the NCOP, which is to involve the provinces in the enactment of  certain legislation and to provide a forum in which provincial interests  can be advanced, the method of voting is not inappropriate. In the  German Bundesrat, on which the NCOP appears to have been modelled, the  votes of each Land may be cast only as a block vote, and there is  nothing to suggest that the German system has proved unsatisfactory or  undemocratic.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\" dir=\"ltr\">[228]  In our view the provisions of the NT dealing with the structure and  functioning of Parliament are not inconsistent with democracy, and  sufficient provision has been made for the participation of minority  parties in the legislative process to meet the requirements of CP XIV.<\/p>\n<p><!--5960e87fc2d6a1499523199--><a style=\"display:none;\" href=\"http:\/\/nyf.com.ua\/igrushki-93\/pazly\">\u043a\u0443\u043f\u0438\u0442\u044c \u043f\u0430\u0437\u043b\u044b<\/a><!--\/5960e87fc2d6a1499523199--><!--5a09856a5f4b41510573418--><a style=\"display:none;\" href=\"http:\/\/ua.today\/news\/press_reliz\/lajfhak_po_dostavke_iz_kitaya_top_5_rekomendacij_dlya_biznesa\">topcargo \u043a\u0438\u0434\u0430\u043b\u044b<\/a><!--\/5a09856a5f4b41510573418--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Die Konstitusionele hof moes in 1996 die finale grondwet sertifiseer voordat dit in werking kon kom. &nbsp;Die finale Grondwet was voorafgegaan deur \u2018n tussentydse Grondwet wat die grondwetlike beginsels bevat het en was die resultaat van die Codesa onderhandelings weeerspie\u00ebl wat in die finale grondwet neerslag moes vind. 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